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Question: Who do you side with out of these options?
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Popolo della Liberta (PdL)
 
#2
Partito Democratico (PD)
 
#3
Lega Nord (LN)
 
#4
Unione de Centro (UdC)
 
#5
Italia dei Valori (IdV)
 
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« on: March 25, 2009, 07:01:43 AM »

You forgot the Rainbow Left or whatever the Commies/Greenies call themselves. Also, Italia dei Valori is associated to the PD, just like Lega Nord is associated to PdL.

No idea, I would need to know more about each.
Popolo della Liberta=centre-right
Partito Democratico=centre-left
Lega Nord=Regionalism
Unione de Centro=Christian democracy, Social conservatism
Italia dei Valori=Populism, Centrism anti-corruption


lol. Italian parties have no ideology anymore. PdL is just Berlusconi's personal machine, which happens to be on the right and unites what is left of the First Republic's rightist parties (neo-fascist MSI, liberals, and so forth) but by far dominated by Forza Italia, Berlusconi's personalist party. PD is an unholy alliance of anybody opposed to Berlusconi and doesn't really have an ideology either, even though it happens to unite generally centre-left parties. As I said, it's an unholy alliance of former Communists, former Socialists, and former (conservative) Christian democrats. PD's pattern of support is also very much an unholy alliance. The UDC is what is left of the DC crooks who didn't join either coalition, Lega Nord originated as a northern protest party against DC and picked up votes of a lot of former DC but also PSI and PCI voters in the north, and Italia dei Valori is an ideologically diverse parties who existence is based solely on Berlusconi's rise to power. In a way, all Italian parties today are based around Berlusconi, either opposition or support to him. Either that or a personality cult.

Also remember that these are all corrupt.
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« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2009, 03:27:07 PM »


Hmmm...I don't know what to think of this. I'd think that you'd be more inclined to support the IdV on a lot of things (and the fact that they are seen as centrists) but, then again, you have to throw conventional ideology out the window over there a lot of the time.

Ideology doesn't play a role in Italy anymore. Your opinion of Berlusconi determines your political affiliation, pretty much. Ideology probably only plays a role to determine which pro-Berlusconi or anti-Berlusconi group you fall in. Maybe.

You forgot the Rainbow Left or whatever the Commies/Greenies call themselves. Also, Italia dei Valori is associated to the PD, just like Lega Nord is associated to PdL.


Ah,I I didn't know that (about IdV) but I wanted them seperate since they are major parties in their own right. I don't know that the Communists and Greens are that big of a deal today.

Well, the Communists do control one regional executive in Italy (Puglia). But then.
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« Reply #2 on: March 25, 2009, 04:04:56 PM »

Well, the Communists do control one regional executive in Italy (Puglia). But then.

Really? Horrible.  Sad



They'll probably lose it to the right in 2010. After all, I don't think a gay communist fits in very well with a conservative Catholic region like Puglia.
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« Reply #3 on: March 25, 2009, 04:30:39 PM »

After all, I don't think a gay communist fits in very well with a conservative Catholic region like Puglia.

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Then how did they the Communists win in the first place?



Coalition with the moderate left. 2005. T'was something like 49.8-49.2 in the presidential ballot.
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« Reply #4 on: March 26, 2009, 06:59:54 PM »

I don't know. UDC perhaps. But all Italian parties really suck. I want to vote against Berlusconi but on the other hand the left in Italy is even less sane than he is. It's a choice between a stagnant economy, no democracy and political stability on the one hand and economic melt-down, democracy and political chaos on the other. Ugh.

The UDC is a bunch of corrupt old DC crooks.
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