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Beet
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« on: January 08, 2006, 10:30:44 PM »

I don't support NOW because they've betrayed liberal feminism by turning themselves into just another interest group. Their particular kind of interest group is rather fascist. The organization needs to reform back towards the spirit in which it started, based on principles rather than identity.
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Beet
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« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2006, 10:47:58 PM »

Freedom fighters, of course.

I don't support NOW because they've betrayed liberal feminism by turning themselves into just another interest group. Their particular kind of interest group is rather fascist. The organization needs to reform back towards the spirit in which it started, based on principles rather than identity.

Can you please give specific examples?

They oppose the efforts of groups representing fathers to equalize custody disputes.

They feel men should have to pay child support after losing the custody dispute.

They support affirmative action even though men are a minority in 4-year colleges (I'm pretty sure).
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Beet
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« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2006, 11:09:22 PM »
« Edited: January 08, 2006, 11:23:36 PM by thefactor »

Obviously I think there's a lot of hyperbole there, but I can't expect ever to change you, I know you better than that. Wink

To be clear, I don't dispute that it's still a man's world out there, that society is sexist in many ways, even if many people accept this sexism implicitly; that ideally they shouldn't accept it. Thus, many of the practical things NOW does, like support for birth control, opposition to domestic violence, constitutional equality, family and health care affordability, women in the military, etc. I support in practice.

What I oppose is their identity-oriented approach and mentality, which influences their positions (or silence) on certain issues. Feminism is only part of the larger liberal tradition originated by Hobbes, Locke, and the Enlightenment, in addition to a bridge for social criticism and the link of politics to social roles. Gender justice is only a part of social and economic justice. It was never meant to be a political interest group based around a person's biological identity, and NOW seems to have degenerated into this latter thing.
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