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Beet
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« on: March 31, 2017, 09:54:49 AM »

It is something for the economically privileged.
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« Reply #1 on: March 31, 2017, 10:10:45 AM »

It is something for the economically privileged.
You mean middle class, right?  Because every home school application I notarize is for the middle class.

They can be middle class on one income?
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« Reply #2 on: March 31, 2017, 10:28:53 AM »

It is something for the economically privileged.
You mean middle class, right?  Because every home school application I notarize is for the middle class.

They can be middle class on one income?

Homeschooling necessitates a parent teaching? There are a lot of weird arrangements out there. And considering they are primarily rural or religious, there are likely plenty of poor homeschoolers from who knows where that actually do have a parent teaching. Not everyone leads a modern urban life where you have to work outside the property so many hours a day. The concept of a rich person doing it seems far stranger.

Rural and religious does not necessarily mean poor. Farmers who live off their own land these days are probably wealthier than the average urban worker.
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« Reply #3 on: March 31, 2017, 11:23:46 AM »

It is something for the economically privileged.
You mean middle class, right?  Because every home school application I notarize is for the middle class.

They can be middle class on one income?

For my cousin's case, it means self-teaching. Neither of her parents home-schooled her. The state told them the requirements and tests that must be passed to advance to the next "grade."



And yes, plenty of people are middle-class on one income. I know people who the mom of 3 kids was just a cable technican, and the dad stayed at home. I know of a prison guard who's wife was laid off, also 3 kids, and she decided to stay at home even after unemployment insurance ended. I know someone else with 2 kids where the mom didn't work until the youngest turned 6, and the dad was computer troubleshooter/technician. Etc.

How much do these people make? Where do they live? The one family I know on one income is where the husband is a doctor. I know that if I had to support myself and two or more other people on my income, which is above average, it would be stretched tight. I cannot afford to buy a single family house in DC, that is for sure.
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« Reply #4 on: March 31, 2017, 11:38:00 AM »

It is something for the economically privileged.
You mean middle class, right?  Because every home school application I notarize is for the middle class.

They can be middle class on one income?

For my cousin's case, it means self-teaching. Neither of her parents home-schooled her. The state told them the requirements and tests that must be passed to advance to the next "grade."



And yes, plenty of people are middle-class on one income. I know people who the mom of 3 kids was just a cable technican, and the dad stayed at home. I know of a prison guard who's wife was laid off, also 3 kids, and she decided to stay at home even after unemployment insurance ended. I know someone else with 2 kids where the mom didn't work until the youngest turned 6, and the dad was computer troubleshooter/technician. Etc.

How much do these people make? Where do they live? The one family I know on one income is where the husband is a doctor. I know that if I had to support myself and two or more other people on my income, which is above average, it would be stretched tight. I cannot afford to buy a single family house in DC, that is for sure.
First case: $45,000, suburban Rhode Island.
Second case: $40,000, suburban Rhode Island.
Third case, $50,000, suburban/rural-ish Connecticut.

A person making $50,000 a year and paying 25% tax has $37,500 annual take home pay... That much would not be enough to qualify as middle class here. One big difference between Connecticut and where I live is home price. In Connecticut, the average home price $243,000, which translates into about $14,880 payments on a 30-year mortgage. In the DC area it is about twice that. A person making $50,000 annually here would be spending about 80% of her take home income on the average home. Obviously out of reach.
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« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2017, 11:48:28 AM »

It is something for the economically privileged.
You mean middle class, right?  Because every home school application I notarize is for the middle class.

They can be middle class on one income?

For my cousin's case, it means self-teaching. Neither of her parents home-schooled her. The state told them the requirements and tests that must be passed to advance to the next "grade."



And yes, plenty of people are middle-class on one income. I know people who the mom of 3 kids was just a cable technican, and the dad stayed at home. I know of a prison guard who's wife was laid off, also 3 kids, and she decided to stay at home even after unemployment insurance ended. I know someone else with 2 kids where the mom didn't work until the youngest turned 6, and the dad was computer troubleshooter/technician. Etc.

How much do these people make? Where do they live? The one family I know on one income is where the husband is a doctor. I know that if I had to support myself and two or more other people on my income, which is above average, it would be stretched tight. I cannot afford to buy a single family house in DC, that is for sure.
First case: $45,000, suburban Rhode Island.
Second case: $40,000, suburban Rhode Island.
Third case, $50,000, suburban/rural-ish Connecticut.

A person making $50,000 a year and paying 25% tax has $37,500 annual take home pay... That much would not be enough to qualify as middle class here. One big difference between Connecticut and where I live is home price. In Connecticut, the average home price $243,000, which translates into about $14,880 payments on a 30-year mortgage. In the DC area it is about twice that. A person making $50,000 annually here would be spending about 80% of her take home income on the average home. Obviously out of reach.

Household income of $50,000 is too high to be "middle class" to you? Especially when you have 2 kids and a spouse?

Middle class is $20,000-120,000/year per household to me.

And why are you implying that if it can't happen with that income in DC (though I bet it could), then it doesn't count?

No I'm saying it's too low to be middle class. Your other examples are even lower. $20,000 is not middle class, that's poor.

I'm just relating my own experience. I'm not saying it can't happen, just that it's unusual and unlikely. The average family household making $50,000 in the DC area is not middle class.
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« Reply #6 on: March 31, 2017, 03:14:23 PM »

I know it's a hard notion to comprehend for American liberals, but there are perfectly legitimate reasons why parents would want to homeschool their children, especially considering what an awful job the education system does at actually providing an education. Of course it should be tightly overseen by the State to avoid abuse, but that doesn't mean it's inherently a bad thing.

Who's a liberal? You're just as much as a liberal as I am, and you're complaining about the "education system" yet oppose school vouchers. I'd much rather kids go to affordable private schools that work than the inefficient homeschooling system that a lot of us can't afford.
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