Why has Sean Hannity not been fired?

[Hammy]

I don't recall Hannity's brother ever being governor anywhere, so I'm not sure what this "exact same thing" is.

[Hammy]

I don't recall Hannity's brother ever being governor anywhere, so I'm not sure what this "exact same thing" is.

So, it's only a problem to use corporate news investigative resources if you're secretly assisting your brother, but not the (Republican) President?

Interesting situational ethics.

If you're going to claim it's "exactly the same", then literally yes, by your own claim. People here seem to have difficulty grasping how language works. Again, what about the situation is exact that you're going to make such a comparison.

[Hammy]

I don't recall Hannity's brother ever being governor anywhere, so I'm not sure what this "exact same thing" is.

So, it's only a problem to use corporate news investigative resources if you're secretly assisting your brother, but not the (Republican) President?

Interesting situational ethics.

If you're going to claim it's "exactly the same", then literally yes, by your own claim. People here seem to have difficulty grasping how language works. Again, what about the situation is exact that you're going to make such a comparison.

I already described it and I later posted an article on it.  If you claim to know how language works, then surely you can read.

Yes, you linked a paywalled article that can't be vetted or read. But I guess doing above and beyond to cement your place as one of the biggest left-wing Trumpian equivalents.

[Hammy]

I don't recall Hannity's brother ever being governor anywhere, so I'm not sure what this "exact same thing" is.

So, it's only a problem to use corporate news investigative resources if you're secretly assisting your brother, but not the (Republican) President?

Interesting situational ethics.

If you're going to claim it's "exactly the same", then literally yes, by your own claim. People here seem to have difficulty grasping how language works. Again, what about the situation is exact that you're going to make such a comparison.

I already described it and I later posted an article on it.  If you claim to know how language works, then surely you can read.

Yes, you linked a paywalled article that can't be vetted or read. But I guess doing above and beyond to cement your place as one of the biggest left-wing Trumpian equivalents.

It's interesting, Sean Hannity has received a subpoena, and yet you know nothing about it, but knew all about Chris Cuomo.

Here is a story:
https://thenewsmotion.com/sean-hannity-is-asked-to-cooperate-in-jan-6-inquiry-as-panel-details-texts/

The difference between me, and the Trump cult, of which you seem to be increasingly a proud member, is that I'm honest. That you fall for lies isn't my fault and it doesn't make me a liar.

"I know you are but what am I" response. Very Trumpian of you.

Your claim of "exactly the same" still fails given you insist on sensationalizing this with absolutes--Hannity is not covering for family, which was a major reason why Cuomo was fired--if the governor was not his brother, he'd still likely have a job. False analogies such as these are why people discount valid criticism--after awhile they're indistinguishable.

And if you knew anything, you'd already know "standards" aren't a thing at Fox in the first place, and never have been.

[Hammy]

I don't recall Hannity's brother ever being governor anywhere, so I'm not sure what this "exact same thing" is.

So, it's only a problem to use corporate news investigative resources if you're secretly assisting your brother, but not the (Republican) President?

Interesting situational ethics.

If you're going to claim it's "exactly the same", then literally yes, by your own claim. People here seem to have difficulty grasping how language works. Again, what about the situation is exact that you're going to make such a comparison.

I already described it and I later posted an article on it.  If you claim to know how language works, then surely you can read.

Yes, you linked a paywalled article that can't be vetted or read. But I guess doing above and beyond to cement your place as one of the biggest left-wing Trumpian equivalents.

It's interesting, Sean Hannity has received a subpoena, and yet you know nothing about it, but knew all about Chris Cuomo.

Here is a story:
https://thenewsmotion.com/sean-hannity-is-asked-to-cooperate-in-jan-6-inquiry-as-panel-details-texts/

The difference between me, and the Trump cult, of which you seem to be increasingly a proud member, is that I'm honest. That you fall for lies isn't my fault and it doesn't make me a liar.

"I know you are but what am I" response. Very Trumpian of you.

Your claim of "exactly the same" still fails given you insist on sensationalizing this with absolutes--Hannity is not covering for family, which was a major reason why Cuomo was fired--if the governor was not his brother, he'd still likely have a job. False analogies such as these are why people discount valid criticism--after awhile they're indistinguishable.

And if you knew anything, you'd already know "standards" aren't a thing at Fox in the first place, and never have been.

1.You questioned my integrity.  You should expect a response.

2.Is that why Cuomo was fired?  I thought he was fired for engaging in partisan political activities behind the scenes while claiming to be a responsible journalist.  What do you base that assertion on?

3.If Fox News has no standards, and there really is nothing here, then we should all agree to not allow it to be used as a news source.

I never use it as a new source. If I go there it's usually to see what sort of garbage narrative the right is creating to more effectively counter it here. As for point two, I highly doubt, given CNN's own poor standards, that Cuomo was the only one engaging in the sort of thing he was, and in all likelihood--while he was rightfully fired--he was the scapegoat since he also shared familial connection.

[Hammy]

I don't recall Hannity's brother ever being governor anywhere, so I'm not sure what this "exact same thing" is.

So, it's only a problem to use corporate news investigative resources if you're secretly assisting your brother, but not the (Republican) President?

Interesting situational ethics.

If you're going to claim it's "exactly the same", then literally yes, by your own claim. People here seem to have difficulty grasping how language works. Again, what about the situation is exact that you're going to make such a comparison.

I already described it and I later posted an article on it.  If you claim to know how language works, then surely you can read.

Yes, you linked a paywalled article that can't be vetted or read. But I guess doing above and beyond to cement your place as one of the biggest left-wing Trumpian equivalents.

It's interesting, Sean Hannity has received a subpoena, and yet you know nothing about it, but knew all about Chris Cuomo.

Here is a story:
https://thenewsmotion.com/sean-hannity-is-asked-to-cooperate-in-jan-6-inquiry-as-panel-details-texts/

The difference between me, and the Trump cult, of which you seem to be increasingly a proud member, is that I'm honest. That you fall for lies isn't my fault and it doesn't make me a liar.

"I know you are but what am I" response. Very Trumpian of you.

Your claim of "exactly the same" still fails given you insist on sensationalizing this with absolutes--Hannity is not covering for family, which was a major reason why Cuomo was fired--if the governor was not his brother, he'd still likely have a job. False analogies such as these are why people discount valid criticism--after awhile they're indistinguishable.

And if you knew anything, you'd already know "standards" aren't a thing at Fox in the first place, and never have been.

1.You questioned my integrity.  You should expect a response.

2.Is that why Cuomo was fired?  I thought he was fired for engaging in partisan political activities behind the scenes while claiming to be a responsible journalist.  What do you base that assertion on?

3.If Fox News has no standards, and there really is nothing here, then we should all agree to not allow it to be used as a news source.

I never use it as a new source. If I go there it's usually to see what sort of garbage narrative the right is creating to more effectively counter it here. As for point two, I highly doubt, given CNN's own poor standards, that Cuomo was the only one engaging in the sort of thing he was, and in all likelihood--while he was rightfully fired--he was the scapegoat since he also shared familial connection.

I'm no water carrier for CNN, but do you have any evidence to back up that assertion, or are you just engaging in false equivalence?

https://www.npr.org/2021/12/06/1061985485/chris-cuomo-fired-cnn-siriusxm

Cuomo was criticized for breaching journalism ethics by trying to help his older brother, former New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo, deal with his own harassment allegations. CNN had suspended the younger Cuomo after learning that his actions were more extensive than previously thought, then fired him Saturday.

Chris Cuomo has said he was simply trying to help his brother.

[Hammy]

I don't recall Hannity's brother ever being governor anywhere, so I'm not sure what this "exact same thing" is.

So, it's only a problem to use corporate news investigative resources if you're secretly assisting your brother, but not the (Republican) President?

Interesting situational ethics.

If you're going to claim it's "exactly the same", then literally yes, by your own claim. People here seem to have difficulty grasping how language works. Again, what about the situation is exact that you're going to make such a comparison.

I already described it and I later posted an article on it.  If you claim to know how language works, then surely you can read.

Yes, you linked a paywalled article that can't be vetted or read. But I guess doing above and beyond to cement your place as one of the biggest left-wing Trumpian equivalents.

It's interesting, Sean Hannity has received a subpoena, and yet you know nothing about it, but knew all about Chris Cuomo.

Here is a story:
https://thenewsmotion.com/sean-hannity-is-asked-to-cooperate-in-jan-6-inquiry-as-panel-details-texts/

The difference between me, and the Trump cult, of which you seem to be increasingly a proud member, is that I'm honest. That you fall for lies isn't my fault and it doesn't make me a liar.

"I know you are but what am I" response. Very Trumpian of you.

Your claim of "exactly the same" still fails given you insist on sensationalizing this with absolutes--Hannity is not covering for family, which was a major reason why Cuomo was fired--if the governor was not his brother, he'd still likely have a job. False analogies such as these are why people discount valid criticism--after awhile they're indistinguishable.

And if you knew anything, you'd already know "standards" aren't a thing at Fox in the first place, and never have been.

1.You questioned my integrity.  You should expect a response.

2.Is that why Cuomo was fired?  I thought he was fired for engaging in partisan political activities behind the scenes while claiming to be a responsible journalist.  What do you base that assertion on?

3.If Fox News has no standards, and there really is nothing here, then we should all agree to not allow it to be used as a news source.

I never use it as a new source. If I go there it's usually to see what sort of garbage narrative the right is creating to more effectively counter it here. As for point two, I highly doubt, given CNN's own poor standards, that Cuomo was the only one engaging in the sort of thing he was, and in all likelihood--while he was rightfully fired--he was the scapegoat since he also shared familial connection.

I'm no water carrier for CNN, but do you have any evidence to back up that assertion, or are you just engaging in false equivalence?

https://www.npr.org/2021/12/06/1061985485/chris-cuomo-fired-cnn-siriusxm

Cuomo was criticized for breaching journalism ethics by trying to help his older brother, former New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo, deal with his own harassment allegations. CNN had suspended the younger Cuomo after learning that his actions were more extensive than previously thought, then fired him Saturday.

Chris Cuomo has said he was simply trying to help his brother.

There are a number of ways that can be interpreted. It certainly does not necessarily mean that he would have been fired had he assisted anybody else beside his brother in the same way.

I don't trust CNN enough to accept that he was the only one engaged in it--I don't trust them any more than FOX or any other media outlet. But the article here seems to strongly imply at minimum that the family connection was a major part of the termination decision .

[Hammy]

I don't recall Hannity's brother ever being governor anywhere, so I'm not sure what this "exact same thing" is.

So, it's only a problem to use corporate news investigative resources if you're secretly assisting your brother, but not the (Republican) President?

Interesting situational ethics.

If you're going to claim it's "exactly the same", then literally yes, by your own claim. People here seem to have difficulty grasping how language works. Again, what about the situation is exact that you're going to make such a comparison.

I already described it and I later posted an article on it.  If you claim to know how language works, then surely you can read.

Yes, you linked a paywalled article that can't be vetted or read. But I guess doing above and beyond to cement your place as one of the biggest left-wing Trumpian equivalents.

It's interesting, Sean Hannity has received a subpoena, and yet you know nothing about it, but knew all about Chris Cuomo.

Here is a story:
https://thenewsmotion.com/sean-hannity-is-asked-to-cooperate-in-jan-6-inquiry-as-panel-details-texts/

The difference between me, and the Trump cult, of which you seem to be increasingly a proud member, is that I'm honest. That you fall for lies isn't my fault and it doesn't make me a liar.

"I know you are but what am I" response. Very Trumpian of you.

Your claim of "exactly the same" still fails given you insist on sensationalizing this with absolutes--Hannity is not covering for family, which was a major reason why Cuomo was fired--if the governor was not his brother, he'd still likely have a job. False analogies such as these are why people discount valid criticism--after awhile they're indistinguishable.

And if you knew anything, you'd already know "standards" aren't a thing at Fox in the first place, and never have been.

1.You questioned my integrity.  You should expect a response.

2.Is that why Cuomo was fired?  I thought he was fired for engaging in partisan political activities behind the scenes while claiming to be a responsible journalist.  What do you base that assertion on?

3.If Fox News has no standards, and there really is nothing here, then we should all agree to not allow it to be used as a news source.

I never use it as a new source. If I go there it's usually to see what sort of garbage narrative the right is creating to more effectively counter it here. As for point two, I highly doubt, given CNN's own poor standards, that Cuomo was the only one engaging in the sort of thing he was, and in all likelihood--while he was rightfully fired--he was the scapegoat since he also shared familial connection.

I'm no water carrier for CNN, but do you have any evidence to back up that assertion, or are you just engaging in false equivalence?

https://www.npr.org/2021/12/06/1061985485/chris-cuomo-fired-cnn-siriusxm

Cuomo was criticized for breaching journalism ethics by trying to help his older brother, former New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo, deal with his own harassment allegations. CNN had suspended the younger Cuomo after learning that his actions were more extensive than previously thought, then fired him Saturday.

Chris Cuomo has said he was simply trying to help his brother.

There are a number of ways that can be interpreted. It certainly does not necessarily mean that he would have been fired had he assisted anybody else beside his brother in the same way.

I don't trust CNN enough to accept that he was the only one engaged in it--I don't trust them any more than FOX or any other media outlet. But the article here seems to strongly imply at minimum that the family connection was a major part of the termination decision .

So, are you saying that CNN is as bad as FOX?  Without providing evidence that is nothing more than false equivalence.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/10/chris-cuomo-melissa-derosa-plotted-to-discredit-fox-news-janice-dean-sources.html

At least two other people were involved in trying to shield Cuomo from criticism. There was a lot going on at the time but I did correctly remember other names coming up. This should clarify that.

Were I interested in being a nicer person here, I wouldn't mention this. But, you had previously asserted that it was a major reason for him being fired, but, now that I've challenged you on it, the best you can say is "I think one article strongly implied it."

I'm not interested in people being nice, I'm here to argue.

[Hammy]

I don't recall Hannity's brother ever being governor anywhere, so I'm not sure what this "exact same thing" is.

So, it's only a problem to use corporate news investigative resources if you're secretly assisting your brother, but not the (Republican) President?

Interesting situational ethics.

If you're going to claim it's "exactly the same", then literally yes, by your own claim. People here seem to have difficulty grasping how language works. Again, what about the situation is exact that you're going to make such a comparison.

I already described it and I later posted an article on it.  If you claim to know how language works, then surely you can read.

Yes, you linked a paywalled article that can't be vetted or read. But I guess doing above and beyond to cement your place as one of the biggest left-wing Trumpian equivalents.

It's interesting, Sean Hannity has received a subpoena, and yet you know nothing about it, but knew all about Chris Cuomo.

Here is a story:
https://thenewsmotion.com/sean-hannity-is-asked-to-cooperate-in-jan-6-inquiry-as-panel-details-texts/

The difference between me, and the Trump cult, of which you seem to be increasingly a proud member, is that I'm honest. That you fall for lies isn't my fault and it doesn't make me a liar.

"I know you are but what am I" response. Very Trumpian of you.

Your claim of "exactly the same" still fails given you insist on sensationalizing this with absolutes--Hannity is not covering for family, which was a major reason why Cuomo was fired--if the governor was not his brother, he'd still likely have a job. False analogies such as these are why people discount valid criticism--after awhile they're indistinguishable.

And if you knew anything, you'd already know "standards" aren't a thing at Fox in the first place, and never have been.

1.You questioned my integrity.  You should expect a response.

2.Is that why Cuomo was fired?  I thought he was fired for engaging in partisan political activities behind the scenes while claiming to be a responsible journalist.  What do you base that assertion on?

3.If Fox News has no standards, and there really is nothing here, then we should all agree to not allow it to be used as a news source.

I never use it as a new source. If I go there it's usually to see what sort of garbage narrative the right is creating to more effectively counter it here. As for point two, I highly doubt, given CNN's own poor standards, that Cuomo was the only one engaging in the sort of thing he was, and in all likelihood--while he was rightfully fired--he was the scapegoat since he also shared familial connection.

I'm no water carrier for CNN, but do you have any evidence to back up that assertion, or are you just engaging in false equivalence?

https://www.npr.org/2021/12/06/1061985485/chris-cuomo-fired-cnn-siriusxm

Cuomo was criticized for breaching journalism ethics by trying to help his older brother, former New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo, deal with his own harassment allegations. CNN had suspended the younger Cuomo after learning that his actions were more extensive than previously thought, then fired him Saturday.

Chris Cuomo has said he was simply trying to help his brother.

There are a number of ways that can be interpreted. It certainly does not necessarily mean that he would have been fired had he assisted anybody else beside his brother in the same way.

I don't trust CNN enough to accept that he was the only one engaged in it--I don't trust them any more than FOX or any other media outlet. But the article here seems to strongly imply at minimum that the family connection was a major part of the termination decision .

So, are you saying that CNN is as bad as FOX?  Without providing evidence that is nothing more than false equivalence.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/10/chris-cuomo-melissa-derosa-plotted-to-discredit-fox-news-janice-dean-sources.html

At least two other people were involved in trying to shield Cuomo from criticism. There was a lot going on at the time but I did correctly remember other names coming up. This should clarify that.

Were I interested in being a nicer person here, I wouldn't mention this. But, you had previously asserted that it was a major reason for him being fired, but, now that I've challenged you on it, the best you can say is "I think one article strongly implied it."

I'm not interested in people being nice, I'm here to argue.

I'm not sure how that shows CNN is as bad as FOX News is. Chris Cuomo was fired.  Sean Hannity was doing the exact same thing for Trump and he hasn't been fired.  You're making my point.

I'm not defending Fox by any stretch, if that's what you're taking away. But the fact is that CNN retained two people who were also engaging in this sort of thing, and that points to Cuomo's firing being familial conflict of interest/keeping up public appearance rather than having high standards or integrity.

A key difference on Fox is--at least regarding who they hire--while they clearly don't have standards, but they simply don't care if people know it, while CNN at least wants to keep up appearances.

[Hammy]

I'm not defending Fox by any stretch, if that's what you're taking away. But the fact is that CNN retained two people who were also engaging in this sort of thing, and that points to Cuomo's firing being familial conflict of interest/keeping up public appearance rather than having high standards or integrity.

A key difference on Fox is--at least regarding who they hire--while they clearly don't have standards, but they simply don't care if people know it, while CNN at least wants to keep up appearances.

The story says nothing like that.  CNN did not retain anybody. The two others mentioned in the article worked for the Governor, not for Chris Cuomo.

Also, the article makes it clear CNN had no reason to know about this until they conducted their investigation:

"it’s unclear whether Chris Cuomo ever went ahead with digging up information on Dean"

and
It remains unclear if DeRosa or Cuomo’s team ever went ahead with initiating such a plan.

Conspiracy is conspiracy, whether it's carried out or not. I'll admit that I was mistaken in recalling when I had originally seen the article back in December as to whether they were CNN employees.

But I stand by my assertion that treating the two situations as absolutely identical is still a false analogy, and there is enough in the first article I linked to say that Cuomo was fired primarily over the image of conflict of interest via family connection than due to ethical standards, and I'll add that no network with standards would've had Cuomo anywhere near this in the first place. Nor does that mean Hannity shouldn't be fired for a variety of reasons.