McConnell and Schumer Agreement on Committees/Rules

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Remember when people laughed at the suggestion that Biden's presidency wouldn't see Democrats coddling and making needless and damaging concessions to Republicans? This is what happens when you allow centrism to take over the party and dismiss any criticism as it as being fringe or damaging to "unity". Congratulations Democrats, you elected four more years of Republican rule.

Why is the "left" in this country so laughably incompetent and stupid?

Because the "left" in this country is right wing by every international standard.

Because this is the internet and people don't read the article, just the headline

Republicans have had near absolute rule the last four years. They deserve zero say in anything beyond their elected officials voting on proposals.

[Hammy]

Remember when people laughed at the suggestion that Biden's presidency wouldn't see Democrats coddling and making needless and damaging concessions to Republicans? This is what happens when you allow centrism to take over the party and dismiss any criticism as it as being fringe or damaging to "unity". Congratulations Democrats, you elected four more years of Republican rule.

Please explain to us how an organizing resolution that's not only necessary for the Senate to proceed with doing literally anything but literally benefits the Democrats on balance given the wording thereof is a "coddling," "needless and damaging concession to Republicans" that equates to "four more years of Republican rule." We're all just dying to know how.

Explain to me why Democrats should be negotiating ANYTHING with Republicans? Lock them out of say like they did to the Dems for the last decade.

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Why is the "left" in this country so laughably incompetent and stupid?

No, it's the people who don't know how to read past headlines who are stupid & who would be so laughably incompetent were it not for the people who do know how to read covering for them.

C'mon now, don't kill the "Nancy and Chuck are complicit in the destruction of America" narrative using facts and logic. That's no fun.

Okay, I confess I didn't read past the headline. I'm not trying to create a narrative here and I've criticized both the left and the center-left for their marketing and governing styles.

Thank you for actually admitting your mistake instead of stubbornly digging in your heels like some other posters. This is the kind of rational, civil discourse of which more is desperately needed today. But yeah, it's quite the misnomer to call it "power-sharing" when literally all it does is make clear that Schumer & the Dems are still in charge of a tied Senate.

I'll admit the same, but I stand by what I said that Dems should give Republicans absolutely nothing, and they have a history of caving easily so there is reason to have made that assumption.

[Hammy]

There's always an alternative to this power-sharing deal. Nuke the filibuster and ram through DC statehood. Problem solved.

Schumer's too much of a coward to do that.

[Hammy]

There's always an alternative to this power-sharing deal. Nuke the filibuster and ram through DC statehood. Problem solved.

Schumer's too much of a coward to do that.

You're just saying that, you don't have evidence to back it up. Let's give him the benefit of the doubt, stop constantly being doomers and attacking the Democrats.

Schumer has always been a coward, his entire tenure as the Dems' Senate leader backs this up--and the fact he's not taking the above option further proves it. He could also make a deal with Manchin and give West Virginia some sort of benefits in return.

But if making a valid point about somebody who should've been replaced a decade ago is "doomerism" then the Dems are nothing more than the same reality-denying self deluded cult the Republicans are, where pointing out reality is wrong and goes against the groupthink that everything's fine now that we have the white house.

Not sure why McConnell is opting to die on this hill tbh.

Power, whatever the cost, is all McConnell and really most of the GOP care about. Take what you can in the short term and long term consequences be damned.

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Frankly I don't see the point of 2001 comparisons. 2001 was a different world. Democrats could probably get some Republicans on board with legislation, and vice versa, but that is no longer the case. Furthermore, we all know McConnell would not be power sharing if Trump was president, whereas the reverse was probably not true of Daschle and Lott. Democrats have the majority and at least two more senators waiting in the wings, that's all that there should be to it.

Procedurally speaking, that's just not true. "Power-sharing" is a misnomer, literally all an organizing resolution provides for are the makeup of committees & for tied committee votes' eligibility to still go to the floor. That would be required in any 50-50 Senate.

The question I have is why this is necessary in the first place (not just this year but in a 50/50 setup in general)--I honestly thought control automatically went to whoever held the White House in a Senate tie.

[Hammy]

This is going to end with Schumer using the nuclear option; Schumer couldn’t fold on this even if he wanted to (and he clearly doesn’t).  The delay is probably just theater so Manchin & co can say they had no choice b/c things were being ground to a halt by abuse of the filibuster.  Even Angus King just said he’s fine with abolishing the filibuster completely if McConnell tries to abuse it (as he already is) and he was one of the hardest “no” votes on abolishing the filibuster.  

The power sharing agreement is based on 2001 compromise, I think Schumer blinks and both parties share control of what bills come to the floor and everything, it just puts pressure on D's, to win WI, PA, NC  and GA in 2022, instead of the naysayers, on this forum, and you know whom you are, say that Rs are gonna net gain seats

With a 53-47 Senate, next time, D's can nuke the filibuster and ram DC statehood, but it can cost Schumer his Leadership post, and DURBIN be D Leaderr, with AOC successfully defeating Schumer

If you're saying GOP bills will get floor votes for being tied in committees, you are correct, OC. That's a minor inconvenience in the grand sceheme of things.

Does neither party have the power to block the other party's bills under this sort of agreement?

[Hammy]

I hope the people of Maine are happy they put America in this situation.

(To be fair, you could blame other states as well.)

I'll blame Maine. No other Biden state elected Republican senators.

[Hammy]

Thank god if this means no DC statehood or courtpacking then.

Why do you feel not all Americans deserve congressional representation?

[Hammy]

The majority of the legislature being able to do what it wants works fine in other countries. America just has to be 'exceptional', yet again.

Because y'all let it! Seriously, this s*** will stop when you've had enough, and are willing to forcefully insist that CA and WY are no longer entitled to the same Senate representation. Not before. The choice is yours.

This requires a constitutional amendment--which requires 2/3 of both houses of Congress AND 2/3 of something like 38 state legislatures.