MA-SEN Megathread: Senator Markey wins

[KaiserDave]

I hope Kennedy crashes and burns.

[KaiserDave]

Firefighters union endorses Kennedy.

[KaiserDave]

https://twitter.com/GlobeKMcCabe/status/1269472551622905859

Great news!

[KaiserDave]

Havent heard much about this race, and I am not as enthusiastic about Kennedys chances.

The COVID 19 has changed the races where political rallies have stopped, which hurt upstart candidates like Kennedy, not as much media exposure

He’s not a regular upstart canidate ... he’s a Kennedy in Massachusetts.

With that being said and I can’t believe I’m typing these words, his candidacy has been underwhelming and this race is without question Lean Markey. I wanna throw up typing that but I call it like I see it

Kennedy has led almost every poll.  I don't see why Markey would be favored.

Well, let's hope the polls are off (they remain close) and Markey wins.

[KaiserDave]

Those polls that had Kennedy leading were all taken before COVID 19, when the D primary was taken place during ST. There hasnt been any recent polls after Covid 19. I donated to Kennedy, but after Covid 19, I have stopped

Thank you for stopping, King

[KaiserDave]

This really is quite a classic senate primary; effective & quiet progressive legislator up against a big name congressman who doesn't actually have anything of substance to say.

You’re kidding right...

He’s never in the state. He’s the classic case of political professional. Not that he’s been in it for so long but how he actually handles the job. He coasts and drifts until election time and then suddenly he’s full of energy, passion and excitement.

Every day that passes with this race close makes me disappointed in my state more and more.

Kennedy SHOULD be running away with this. But isn’t.

I could dispute your first paragraph, but I want to say something else. I mean no personal offense, but you need to understand that the Kennedy name is not what it used to be. Definitely not outside of Massachusetts and apparently from your remarks not inside either.

This race will be decided on merit, on which Kennedy is lacking.

[KaiserDave]

This race is heating up between the candidates and their supporters. Case in point is all of the arguing above ^^^ but also this tweet:

https://twitter.com/joekennedy/status/1271251824813780992

Of course, this will be a close race, but there should be some serious concern for Markey on race. There, of course, should be concern for Kennedy around his "why are you running/Senators do more than vote" response.

What's this?

[KaiserDave]

https://twitter.com/stephanie_murr/status/1273770745794039809

Interesting

Though I'd like to see specific opinion of members.

I would hope it went to Markey, and believe so.

At least Ed got the AFT.

[KaiserDave]

Debates for this one ar fun to just have on in the background. Just casually making some Kennedy fillet. Kennedy probably wins because of his surname but Markey is running a very effective campaign against him.

It’s actually embarrassing to both this state and the Kennedy campaign but if I were to bet I would say Markey pulls the upset. Which is frankly ridiculous

More like ridiculously amazing! 😎😎

[KaiserDave]

If Ed wins that will make my day, truly I will be very pleased

[KaiserDave]

Joe Kennedy isn't running to represent Massachusetts
He's running for a springboard for a 2024 presidential run and its painfully obvious.

Markey for Senate

[KaiserDave]

Joe Kennedy isn't running to represent Massachusetts
He's running for a springboard for a 2024 presidential run and its painfully obvious.

Markey for Senate

Did anyone say Bill Clinton is only running for Governor to run in the 92 election? Did anyone say Barack Obama is only running for Senate in 2004 so he can run in the 2008 POTUS election?

No and No. Politicans often run for higher officer. So what? If he does a better job at being a Senator then Ed Markey then who cares what he does in 2024? And if he did run in 2024 then let the voters decide if he should receive a promotion, makes sense right?

And Kennedy only runs in 2024 if Trump wins this year. Bidens VP will run virtually unopposed similar to 2000 Gore and 2016 Clinton,

Ed Markey might be a nice person. But he’s not a great senator, and frankly I trust Kennedy to actually accomplish serious progress

Obama and Clinton weren't so obvious about it, and neither tried to coast by on their last names.

Ed Markey IS a good senator, which we keep saying. He's actually passed landmark environmental legislation and has been a reliable advocate on issues from childcare to internet policy. In my view he's one of the more effective Senators out there.

Compared to JKIII, who's biggest congressional accomplishment is helping to vote down the Amash-Conyers Amendment, and who is an egregious example of dynastic politics, the choice is clear.

Also, a message needs to be sent that the Kennedy name is not a ticket for public office.

[KaiserDave]

Boomers refuse to step aside and go quietly into their golden years because they are addicted to power. It has made the Senate and Presidency more geriatric than any point in history.

You're going to see young leaders primarying Dinosaurs more and more because it's the only way to attain higher office anymore.

JK3, AOC, and Eric Swallwell have all had to run against senior citizens to get their seats and they won't be the only ones. The electorate is ready for some fresh faces. I don't feel bad for the Boomers. Go play some golf or hang out with your grandkids. You had your time.

Being younger in and of itself is not a virtue.

[KaiserDave]

We're going in circles on this unfortunately. Thank you @BruceJoel for the amazing analysis.

At least the majority of us agree that Markey is the man

[KaiserDave]

-A somewhat experienced congressman with a milquetoast record, unclear motivations, obvious presidential ambitions, and conflicts of interests

-A tried and tested leader who has reliably stood up for common people against vested interests, especially on issues which have become more prominent in the modern day


I know where I stand. Markey for Senate.

[KaiserDave]

It’s amazing how many people not from Massachusetts overrate Ed Markey

We're capable on making an objective analysis of him and his opponent.

The only argument you've made is his last name and something about Markey not being in Massachusetts.

[KaiserDave]

Kennedy is wasting tons of money that could be used against Mr. Trump and his enablers instead. And I still haven't figured out why he wants Markey to go other than for self-promotion. MA has 2 senators unlikely to stay in for many more decades and he has the time to wait a few more years or run 4 gov once Charlie Baker decides to retire.

No that's literally it. No ideological differences, no demographic differences, no tactical differences. Literally pure ego and it's a drain on resources and a waste of Markey's time. I really hope JKIII loses so he can get out of politics

This is such BS. This race is not taking any resources away from the fight against Trumpism. ZERO. It’s a Safe Dem seat in a Safe Dem state in a region where virtually all races are Safe or at worst Likely Dem.

In recent years you’ve had many Dems who have been in Washington for years being primaried by much younger candidates who have been reasonably in lock step with them on policy issues (Yes slightly more left). The challengers in those races have proclaimed “We need younger people to represent us, we need a new generation”.

AOC, Bowman and Pressley to name a few. But for some reason when Joe Kennedy primaries someone his point about a new generation stepping up is discredited because he comes from a family with many relatively who have sacrafised so much for this country.

With that being said, those thinking JK will win this race don’t know what they’re talking about & are being overly simplistic. Unfortunately the Bernie Bro Pitch Fork brigade has been effective in bruising the image of a young man who would be PHENOMENAL in the Senate. Sadly my state isn’t what it used to be in this regard

I don't care.


Please make a case for why Kennedy is superior on policy and record, not on "new blood" and not on his last name.

[KaiserDave]

Ok, here's some completely anecdotal evidence from yard signs I've seen in the Newburyport/Amesbury area that point to where this race may stand: 3 Markey signs, 3 Kennedy signs. It's definitely divided; Markey's support isn't just "very online" nor is Kennedy's as widespread as is commonly believed. The Kennedy brand has definitely weakened in MA over the years, especially outside of the heavily Irish-American South Shore and western Boston suburbs.

You love to see it.

[KaiserDave]

https://twitter.com/dbernstein/status/1287920742139490305

That would be awesome

[KaiserDave]

🔥🔥🔥

https://twitter.com/EdMarkey/status/1287939469300178944

All this pandering to the Twitter crowd and trying to be hip and cool by posting lo-fi edits and RTing fanmade anime intros is super embarrassing and almost makes me want to support Kennedy.

You’re right that’s horrible

But a JKIII anime intro would be worse.

[KaiserDave]

Galaxy brain moves from JKIII here

[KaiserDave]

I’m not NOT supporting a friendly ice cream truck driver who fights special interests against the trust fund crybaby.

[KaiserDave]

JKIII big mistake was not taking the why are you running thing head on

He should be saying:

“Yes I’m a Kennedy. I’m proud my grandfather is Robert Lennedy. I’m proud my great uncle is President John F Kennedy. I’m proud of how much my family has accomplished in the realm of public service. I’m not shying from that. Do I think that means this seat is my birth right? Absolutely not. It belongs to the people and I have to earn that vote on my own not based on who I’m related too. I run because while I might agree with many same policies as Ed Markey, his execution and effort has left a lot to be desired. I have the motivation and the dedication to be in this state not just when an election rolls around”

Can you please explain what’s lacking in his “effort” and “execution”?

[KaiserDave]

https://polsci.umass.edu/sites/default/files/SenatePrimaryAug2020Toplines8-12.pdf

Lean Markey

He’s run a great campaign

[KaiserDave]

Ed Markey, campaign wizard and ad genius.

I love it.