NYM's big giant thread about voting GOP because something something corporate $$

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@xingkerui: hey....you never know. Sometimes races can be decided by the slightest of margins. Sometimes the outcomes of those races lead to significant effects later on. If Conor Lamb beats Pat Toomey in 2022, I don't think that would have happened if Saccone did his job properly back in March.

So for the good of the country (and the entire world as a result) I have to encourage everyone on this board to vote Republican. It doesn't matter what your race, religion, age, gender, etc are. It doesn't even matter what your political ideology is. I think you have a strong case to vote GOP on November 6 even if you are a socialist, because you know the Democratic Party is too in love with corporate money to adopt your ideas anyway, so you're better off punishing them for it.

Vote Republican on every election on November 6.

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ON Progressive: "Also LOL @ a Republican voter complaining about "Democratic corporate money" when your entire party is being paid off by people like the Koch brothers and Sheldon Adelson."

Well yeah, but that's the party of capitalism so who cares. If you're a democratic socialist who wants the Democratic Party to change, you are arguably better off strategically voting Republican on November 6.

Maybe you'd even be better off strategically voting Trump in 2020. Just a thought.

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"They are the only pollster with a Trump approve above 50 - if you believe that then sure, believe the GCB is tied right now"

As someone born in 1994, Trump is easily the greatest President in my lifetime. I'd say he edges out every other President since Eisenhower as well. Maybe even the best since Teddy Roosevelt. I honestly consider him to be one of those "more-than" Presidents. Ones who go on to be national cultural icons who have holidays dedicated for them.

So... that isn't too unbelievable for me.

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"They are the only pollster with a Trump approve above 50 - if you believe that then sure, believe the GCB is tied right now"

As someone born in 1994, Trump is easily the greatest President in my lifetime. I'd say he edges out every other President since Eisenhower as well. Maybe even the best since Teddy Roosevelt. I honestly consider him to be one of those "more-than" Presidents. Ones who go on to be national cultural icons who have holidays dedicated for them.

So... that isn't too unbelievable for me.

Yeah, he's so great every intellectual ranks him down.

then those intellectuals are mistaken

Anyway, @Ontario Progressive: "The guy unironically thinks socialists should vote for the GOP "to stick it to the Democrats", even though Republicans constantly use their ideology as an insult and have the exact opposite priorities of socialists on both economic and social issues."

If the Republicans win on November 6, the Democratic Party will be encouraged to transform even further along the lines of Democratic Socialism. It's that simple.

 brittain33:I would appreciate it if you changed your avatar to blue. My ideas need as much encouragement as they can get.

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Rasmussen is really sticking its neck out.  My recollectionection is it was pretty good in 2010 and 2014.  It pegged the national vote in 2016.  They were a littlee too optimistic for Romney in 2012, but not excessively so.

Right now they are excessively optimistic for the GOP compared to other pollsters.  Are they far out in the outfield.  I hope they are right.  Would they risk their reputation?

The New York Times / Siena College Polls do not seem to support D+10 generics.  Neither doe the recent Gallup poll finding a historic GOP high of 44% affiliation.

Oh well in less than 4 weeks I guess we will either have a repeat of national 2016 or Virginia 2017.  Or will the House be 2017 and the Senate be 2016.

I think Virginia 2017 was a special case where the undecideds broke for Northam because they were either going to go for Northam anyway or Gillespie was just a mediocre campaigner.

I suspect the vast majority of undecideds this year will break for the GOP. There has been so much Blue Wave promotion among the left that those who are voting Democratic have already decided, any they aren't exactly shy about telling that to pollsters, whereas GOP voters might be.

@BRTD: Pretty please?

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@jdb: You're confusing me with someone else. I first registered in the summer, but only started discussing the midterms recently. I do believe I get mixed up sometimes with that 'MillennialModerate' guy from Massachusetts.

@Hindsight is 2020: "It’s not a good thing to be as detached from reality as a predicit poster NYC"

Are you talking about the prediction/gambling site, PredictIt?

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I didn't "disappear" (got a life outside of this forum, after all) and #walkaway was never proven to be Russian lol. I also didn't say that the Democrats were necessarily 'doomed' because of it. They can still win due to high turnout combined with mediocre GOP turnout.

I stand behind every word I said in that post.

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https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/17/opinions/russian-bots-2018-midterm-elections-opinion-love/index.html

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The funny thing about this Russian-backed propaganda effort is that eventually it does morph into something that involves real Americans who may have actually divorced themselvse from the Democratic Party over the years (or Republicans/Independents pretending to be Democrats who #WalkedAway just because it's the internet and who cares), and the end result is you get these real people swearing that the #WalkAway movement is real, if for no other reason than that they know it's real because they themselves are real. The fact is, almost every election you get actual Republicans who become actual Democrats, and actual Democrats who become actual Republicans. There is nothing out of the ordinary about this. Political coalitions are constantly shifting. So there is always a #WalkAway movement in some form. The only difference here is that a bunch of people have gotten tricked into supporting a "movement" that was supposed to be out of the norm, but isn't.

The truth is that these people just got played by a foreign power. They'll likely never acknowledge this, though.

"been connected to Kremlin-linked Russian bots"

political movements of all kinds are supported by bots on twitter because...it's twitter.

"Alliance for Securing Democracy, an initiative of the nonpartisan German Marshall Fund"

lol, 'Securing Democracy'
lol, 'nonpartisan'


'the illusion that this is a popular movement'
Well, lots of people have left the Left.

'The fact is, almost every election you get actual Republicans who become actual Democrats'

of course, but that rate has accelerated relative to the 2000s and 1990s

'There is nothing out of the ordinary about this. '

True, but that doesn't mean it's not going to have meaningful effects.

'a bunch of people have gotten tricked'

I dunno, I don't think I got tricked by Russians into seeing how awful the Left has become firsthand. '#WalkAway' might be astroturfed in the same fashion that many Twitter hashtags are astroturfed. Also, Russia is where lots of illicit internet activity happens. Many of the biggest pirating sites are Russian. Is there even any proof that the Kremlin itself is doing them? I bet you can also track astroturfing from multiple other countries around the globe.

Also, sorry guys, but even if you get your 'blue wave' or something resembling it, we aren't going to disappear.

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I don't view it as some super huge movement, I view it as a convenient way to refer to an important phenomenon that many seem to trivialize.

The myriad of stories about supposed Russian hacking and the Mueller investigation are so Byzantine at this point that I won't bother learning all the nitty-gritty details until I read about it, and every other nitty-gritty detail about the Trump era, after Trump finishes his 2nd term on January 20, 2025.