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« on: August 22, 2013, 06:09:49 PM »

Yeah, the transphobia already in this thread is pretty awful.

In any case, I wish her luck in her transition. Hopefully, wherever she'll be imprisoned will let her have access to HRT (although probably not).

What is HRT?

Hormone replacement therapy.

Also, a lot of you people are being absolutely awful, but I say that more in sorrow than in anger at this point.
I wholeheartedly agree, Nathan.
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« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2013, 06:12:12 PM »

To announce the intention to undergo a sex change a day after having been sentenced to a prison term is possibly the weirdest possible timing.

But this has been coming for a while now and (s)he should go ahead IMO.
As opposed to announcing it before when nothing she said would have been made public?

I think people need to have a realistic outlook here.  It's happening precisely in the only order or sense of timing that it possibly can.  Her life is forfeit to the state... don't blame her for the timing of this.

And it's not like this is brand new... there were inklings of her situation prior.
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« Reply #2 on: August 23, 2013, 05:43:59 PM »

Yes, someone's gender is "minutia." Roll Eyes

Yeah in a thread where people freely display that they are oblivious to an exceedingly common women's health issue while a bunch of people obsess about pronouns for less than .0001% of the population?  Yeah dude it is minutia in this context.

Maybe you should stop and think about "this context" and how it demonstrates that pronouns and gender identity and all that are the exact opposite of minutiae right now. While you're at it, maybe you should also stop pulling numbers out of your ass.
It's okay.  Link knows she is right.  And that's all that matters.
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« Reply #3 on: August 23, 2013, 07:12:01 PM »

Maybe you should stop and think about "this context" and how it demonstrates that pronouns and gender identity and all that are the exact opposite of minutiae right now. While you're at it, maybe you should also stop pulling numbers out of your ass.

Read my other post.  No doctor would sign off on gender reassignment at this stage.  Demanding everyone use a different pronoun isn't doing Manning any service.  It's time to separate personal feelings from medical reality.
Are you really implying that it's up to a doctor to decide which gender you are?

Regardless of whether she has a penis and testacles and facial hair, she is a she on the inside.  And she asked specifically to be called she.

So get off your high horse, bucko.
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« Reply #4 on: August 23, 2013, 10:59:28 PM »

Regardless of what these medical professionals end up deciding, Link, surely it does us no harm to, even if only provisionally, respect Manning's wishes for the time being rather than going out of our way to justify not so doing.

I understand that some people feel that way.  What I took exception to is the idea that just because some of us would defer to prudent medical science and proceed with caution that we are somehow against gender reassignment.  Nothing could be further from the truth.  Two years ago I said this guy probably needs psychiatric help.  Since that time he's been thrown in a dark hole and rammed through a military trial.  If he were my friend or son before calling him "she" I would get him a lot of help and let things settle down before making big decisions.

Remember I didn't come into this thread and say everyone needs to stop calling him "her".  No, someone else came in and corrected me and several other people made some inaccurate comments about what I said.
You're upset because somebody correct you... so you have gone waaay out of your way to prove how legit you are on this issue because, gais, gais... I know he-shes so like.... trust me on this... amiright?

I've had some major issues of my own with difficulty accepting transgender people.  Hell, I spent 2 hours trying to convince former poster winston to accept that she had a male body and she couldn't truly be either gender until she accepted that....

It was all well meaning, but it was misguided, and I learned a valuable lesson.  If someone asks that you call them she because she wants to live as a woman from this point forward... then yes, the common courtesy is to refer to her as "she" or "her".

Link... you spin circles around and around to avoid admitting you're wrong.  Just admit it!

When I made the claim that wooden stick houses might be more renewable than the methods they used in England, you came back with compelling statistics that showed the opposite.  I was wrong.  It sucks... but I was.

Now it's your turn...
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