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« on: March 25, 2010, 11:08:37 PM »

Should creationism be taught in schools? In a Christian sense, no, but if we're talking about intelligent design, then I don't think it's unconstitutional to present that as a theory for the cause of evolution, or to present holes in the theory.

Not science, goddamn it.


It's not science to say there is no god and that evolution explains causation, as that's completely unprovable. Why the hell do you care if someone says to kids that there may have been a designer, or there may not have been, but still teach evolution in full? To say that that's unconstitutional is absurd, and more of an atheist position than a scientific one. Agnosticism is more scientific, and having teachers explain that there may or may not have been a designer is pretty agnostic. If it doesn't violate the constitution, which it obviously doesn't unless you're trying to interpret the constitution in a way that allows you to tell people how they should run their own education system, then it should be up to local school boards to decide.

     How about we, you know, not mention anything about any sort of creator? That would make the most sense to me, since the origin of the universe is largely indeterminable (sure, we know things the Big Bang occurred & the universe as we know it began at that point, but it's not as if we are anywhere close to determining the origin of matter & energy in the universe).

If a school board doesn't want to include it, they shouldn't have to. But they shouldn't be prevented from doing so because of people that want to circumvent democracy by claiming something is unconstitutional when it really isn't.
And I have no problem with including intelligent design in a high school philosophy class that covers the "origins of life".

It does not, however, belong in science class.  That is because the widely accepted theory of evolution sufficiently explains the science behind the origins of life.

I don't think the church would like it if I became a member and demanded that all Sunday School classes start giving equal time to evolution.  I mean.. it'd be okay, right?  Cuz there's nothing that explicitly denies the existence of God in the theory of evolution or that God created the heavens and the earth.

If the church wants to be involved with the state, then they can pay taxes like any other business or individual and they can be regulated thereby as well.  Good enough?
If I were a Christian with a bundle of kindling lodged in my ass all in a tiff over a nativity scene on school property.. I'd be more supportive of the separation of the church and state simply for the fact that in this day and age, the state could destroy the church as we know it.  And no small number of people would celebrate.
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