Ballots, Not Votes

[Ferguson97]

Reform #2 is a non-starter.

If you want to say they have to be post-marked by Election Day, that’s another story. But whether or not your vote counts shouldn’t be determined by how fast or slow the USPS is.

[Ferguson97]

Reform #2 is a non-starter.

If you want to say they have to be post-marked by Election Day, that’s another story. But whether or not your vote counts shouldn’t be determined by how fast or slow the USPS is.

Oregon literally had that rule until they used Covid as an excuse to get rid of it

Okay? Then Oregon had a bad law, and it's good that they got rid of it. (You're not very good at this 'gotcha' stuff, OSR.)

[Ferguson97]

Reform #2 is a non-starter.

If you want to say they have to be post-marked by Election Day, that’s another story. But whether or not your vote counts shouldn’t be determined by how fast or slow the USPS is.

Oregon literally had that rule until they used Covid as an excuse to get rid of it

Okay? Then Oregon had a bad law, and it's good that they got rid of it. (You're not very good at this 'gotcha' stuff, OSR.)

Why the hell are you trying to defend this? You don't need to blindly defend everything Democrats do.

Taking a long time to report results undermines faith in the process. There was absolutely nothing wrong with the old system. It still gives people the flexibility to vote however they want.

Why the hell are you arguing against this? You don't need to blindly defend everything Republicans do.

I'm asking you a very simple question: why should whether or not your vote counts depend on how fast or slow the USPS is?

I'm going to be honest, I think the reason you're fine with the old law is because you think that not counting mail-in ballots that arrive late will disproportionately harm Democrats. You don't want those votes counted because you think it will be easier for Republicans to win elections. It's a simple as that, and it would be easier for everyone if you would just be honest about it.

[Ferguson97]

Reform #2 is a non-starter.

If you want to say they have to be post-marked by Election Day, that’s another story. But whether or not your vote counts shouldn’t be determined by how fast or slow the USPS is.

Oregon literally had that rule until they used Covid as an excuse to get rid of it

Okay? Then Oregon had a bad law, and it's good that they got rid of it. (You're not very good at this 'gotcha' stuff, OSR.)

Why the hell are you trying to defend this? You don't need to blindly defend everything Democrats do.

Taking a long time to report results undermines faith in the process. There was absolutely nothing wrong with the old system. It still gives people the flexibility to vote however they want.

Why the hell are you arguing against this? You don't need to blindly defend everything Republicans do.

I'm asking you a very simple question: why should whether or not your vote counts depend on how fast or slow the USPS is?

I'm going to be honest, I think the reason you're fine with the old law is because you think that not counting mail-in ballots that arrive late will disproportionately harm Democrats. You don't want those votes counted because you think it will be easier for Republicans to win elections. It's a simple as that, and it would be easier for everyone if you would just be honest about it.

Let me ask you another question:

Why do you guys ignore the fact that mail in balloting does undermine the secrecy of the ballot. Mail in balloting 100% should be limited cause of this and it should be limited to people who have a valid reason to not vote in person 

It only undermines the secrecy of the ballot in this fantasy where someone is searching through the mail to see how someone voted.

If you're that concerned about it, then vote in-person. No one is forcing you to vote by mail.

[Ferguson97]

What this is completely bs :

- Liberal members in your households could see how you could vote

- Stuff like voter parties could happen and people could wonder why you don’t show up

Mass mail in voting means social pressures play a much larger role in voting and that is fundamentally undemocratic

Voter parties? What are you even talking about? I've never heard of this.