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Ferguson97
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« on: March 18, 2021, 02:17:25 PM »

The Democrats are only right-wing if you ignore social issues, immigration, and welfare issues.
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« Reply #1 on: March 18, 2021, 06:16:58 PM »

The Democrats are only right-wing if you ignore social issues, immigration, and welfare issues.

OP specified establishment Democrats, most of whom do not broadly support a welfare state, the most minimal of which includes a national insurance program.

Also, loosening immigration laws isn't a left-wing policy, either. It's a neoliberal one, as the need for cheap labor is fulfilled with less restrictive borders and the "free flow of capital and labor." It's why, historically, most unions and participants in the labor movement wanted a more restrictive immigration platform, which, in that context, is no right-wing measure.

Xenophobic.

I support loose immigration restrictions because I think people have the right to immigrate where they like.

Your assertion that "if the unions support it, it must be left-wing" is not founded in reality.

Horseshoe theory gains more traction every day.
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« Reply #2 on: March 18, 2021, 07:23:11 PM »

The Democrats are only right-wing if you ignore social issues, immigration, and welfare issues.

OP specified establishment Democrats, most of whom do not broadly support a welfare state, the most minimal of which includes a national insurance program.

Also, loosening immigration laws isn't a left-wing policy, either. It's a neoliberal one, as the need for cheap labor is fulfilled with less restrictive borders and the "free flow of capital and labor." It's why, historically, most unions and participants in the labor movement wanted a more restrictive immigration platform, which, in that context, is no right-wing measure.

Xenophobic.

I support loose immigration restrictions because I think people have the right to immigrate where they like.

Your assertion that "if the unions support it, it must be left-wing" is not founded in reality.

Horseshoe theory gains more traction every day.

So do the Waltons.

And white supremacists oppose immigration because they hate brown people, what's your point?
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« Reply #3 on: March 19, 2021, 12:56:39 PM »

The Democrats are only right-wing if you ignore social issues, immigration, and welfare issues.

OP specified establishment Democrats, most of whom do not broadly support a welfare state, the most minimal of which includes a national insurance program.

Also, loosening immigration laws isn't a left-wing policy, either. It's a neoliberal one, as the need for cheap labor is fulfilled with less restrictive borders and the "free flow of capital and labor." It's why, historically, most unions and participants in the labor movement wanted a more restrictive immigration platform, which, in that context, is no right-wing measure.

Xenophobic.

I support loose immigration restrictions because I think people have the right to immigrate where they like.

Your assertion that "if the unions support it, it must be left-wing" is not founded in reality.

Horseshoe theory gains more traction every day.

So do the Waltons.

And white supremacists oppose immigration because they hate brown people, what's your point?

I do not share a belief in white supremacy in common with white supremacists, but you do share a belief in neoliberalism and voting for Democrats in common with the Walton family.

I'm not a neoliberal
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Ferguson97
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« Reply #4 on: March 26, 2021, 06:06:11 PM »

Yes.

Following are examples:

• Bill Clinton: NAFTA and the Telecommunications Act

• Barack Obama: Affordable Care Act and taking the nation from two to seven wars

• Joe Biden: Cheerleader for the war in Iraq who also attacked party members in Congress who opposed that war; generally, Biden is a war monger

All three are also owned by Wall Street.

None of them are politically on the left.

So, there is no way to honestly answer this question without noting these examples and having to reach the conclusion that the Democrats—in their current form—are right wing.

Calling NAFTA and the ACA "right-wing" is brain worms.
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« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2021, 04:07:10 PM »

The Democrats are only right-wing if you ignore social issues, immigration, and welfare issues.

OP specified establishment Democrats, most of whom do not broadly support a welfare state, the most minimal of which includes a national insurance program.

Also, loosening immigration laws isn't a left-wing policy, either. It's a neoliberal one, as the need for cheap labor is fulfilled with less restrictive borders and the "free flow of capital and labor." It's why, historically, most unions and participants in the labor movement wanted a more restrictive immigration platform, which, in that context, is no right-wing measure.

Xenophobic.

I support loose immigration restrictions because I think people have the right to immigrate where they like.

Your assertion that "if the unions support it, it must be left-wing" is not founded in reality.

Horseshoe theory gains more traction every day.

Loose immigration restrictions is right-wing in terms of economics at the very least.

Based on what?

From a social perspective - "stay with your own kind in your own country" is a reactionary belief.
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Ferguson97
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« Reply #6 on: March 31, 2021, 01:35:21 AM »

The Democrats are only right-wing if you ignore social issues, immigration, and welfare issues.

OP specified establishment Democrats, most of whom do not broadly support a welfare state, the most minimal of which includes a national insurance program.

Also, loosening immigration laws isn't a left-wing policy, either. It's a neoliberal one, as the need for cheap labor is fulfilled with less restrictive borders and the "free flow of capital and labor." It's why, historically, most unions and participants in the labor movement wanted a more restrictive immigration platform, which, in that context, is no right-wing measure.

Xenophobic.

I support loose immigration restrictions because I think people have the right to immigrate where they like.

Your assertion that "if the unions support it, it must be left-wing" is not founded in reality.

Horseshoe theory gains more traction every day.

Loose immigration restrictions is right-wing in terms of economics at the very least.

Based on what?

From a social perspective - "stay with your own kind in your own country" is a reactionary belief.

He said economics. Loose immigration restrictions, which no serious regulation,would lead to a massive influx of low skilled, cheap labor, which in turn would result in depressed wages for workers here. It would be a free for all, with companies hiring those who are willing to work for the lowest pay, with nothing to mediate or address this. The only ones who benefit are big business.

And you know, the immigrants...
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« Reply #7 on: April 01, 2021, 11:15:56 AM »

What makes a native-born American more deserving of a job than an immigrant?
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« Reply #8 on: April 01, 2021, 12:07:28 PM »

What makes a native-born American more deserving of a job than an immigrant?

Is it not the responsibility of a government to put the interests and priorities of it’s citizens first?

I would say it's inhabitants over its non-inhabitants, but I want getting citizenship to be as easy as getting a driver's license so it's a moot point.
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