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italian-boy
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« on: December 14, 2019, 10:02:26 AM »

He did.

As would John Smith have, had he lived.

Tories were in such a dire state by 1997 that not even the most friendly press could save them.

The same could be said of the Tories in the last 3 years...
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« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2019, 10:38:38 AM »

To be fair, it's quite possible that presiding over the next year or so of Brexit & the immediate aftermath thereof would do a lot to damage the reputation of the new leader. From that perspective, it makes sense for Labour to want to delay the election of its next leader until after Brexit has happened, so that they're not fatally tainted come 2024. And I suspect that Corbyn, already unpopular as he so evidently is, is happy to stay on as the de-facto caretaker so long as is necessary, especially since (unlike previous leadership resignations & subsequent contests) there isn't currently a deputy leader to serve as caretaker were he to resign right now.

Yes because it makes great sense to maintain in a leadership position a discredited and widely loathed figure who has repeatedly demonstrated a near-total inability to function as an effective Leader of the Opposition.

Incidentally, the EHRC report is out in the new year and the general expectation in the legal world is that it will be devastating.

Yes, better to have the already-tainted figure be (further) tainted by Brexit happening (which, regardless of how "effective" a LOTO he was, he can no longer do anything about since the Tories have now formed a majority government) then have the new leader who still has future campaigns to run.

I know Al knows what he's talking about more than anyone else on here when it comes to British politics, but this time I have to agree with Bruce. British politics might be different from American politics, but whether in America or Britain or anywhere else, timing matters. The next couple of years are going to bad for Labour no matter what, for purely structural reasons. There is no point in having an "effective" Leader of the Opposition in that context. Even if Labour chose someone with '97 Blair's charisma, '64 Wilson's acumen and '45 Attlee's stature, they won't be able to achieve anything in a context where the political debate is dominated by Brexit and BoJo is riding high from his triumph. Which means the novelty of that leader would also be lost. If Corbyn stays on, sure, it might make those few years even worse, but that gives the next leader a much better chance to mark a real break from the disaster of these years. If there's something I'm missing I'd love to know what, but it really seems strategically sounder to me.
How can one even think about keeping Corbyn on for a few YEARS?

If one is worried about the new leader getting burnt with Brexit, just pick an interim leader.
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italian-boy
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« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2020, 01:57:39 PM »

RLB today gave Corbyn's leadership "10 out of 10" on ITV...just when you thought it couldn't get worse.
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« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2020, 11:32:07 AM »

Momentum will ballot a Yes/No on endorsing RLB & Rayner.



"More internal democracy", they said - and in the end it looks very much like the Five Star Movement's fake direct democracy...
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