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Question: Should the US finally grow a pair and acknowledge that it happened?
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« on: April 24, 2014, 11:31:45 PM »

I don't see the purpose of doing so. Will having the government make a resolution about it somehow bring the 1 million lost souls back to life? Obviously the Armenians have the facts on their side, why do they even need official recognition from a third-party government?
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« Reply #1 on: April 25, 2014, 11:43:51 PM »
« Edited: April 26, 2014, 02:41:41 AM by SPC »

Obviously the Armenian Genocide occurred, but we have no legitimacy to insist that Turkey admit it when we won't acknowledge our own...

IIRC we apologized for that, though I don't think we acknowledged it as a genocide. However, I don't see how that means that we can't insist Turkey acknowledge theirs. If I stab a guy and I then go off on you for stabbing another guy, I'm correct even though I'm a hypocrite.

And what good does that do when all of the original perpetrators are dead? The only effect I could see it having is improving the electoral fortunes of those who would perform similar deeds if given the opportunity.
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Chuck Hagel 08
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« Reply #2 on: April 26, 2014, 06:36:29 PM »

I don't see the purpose of doing so. Will having the government make a resolution about it somehow bring the 1 million lost souls back to life? Obviously the Armenians have the facts on their side, why do they even need official recognition from a third-party government?

For two reasons:
1: For the same reason that the Jews do for their genocide.

As an ad hominem to use against those who oppose current policies toward Israel?

[/quote]2: To pressure Turkey to recognise the genocide rather than active push their denial around the world and imprison people who recognise it.
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Again, the more likely effect would be to encourage anti-American and nationalist sentiment in Turkey. Of course, a separate discussion could be held regarding the merits of our alliance with Turkey, but I cannot see an event that occured 100 years ago under a previous regime being a rational reason to sever that alliance.
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Chuck Hagel 08
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« Reply #3 on: April 29, 2014, 01:00:46 AM »

Moral reasons aside for a moment, refusing to acknowledge an obvious historical fact is pretty stupid.

Does Congress have to issue an official statement addressing all historical facts? When can we expect a resolution acknowledging the Czarist ethnic cleansing of Circassians or the supression of the Indian rebellion?
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« Reply #4 on: April 29, 2014, 08:08:00 PM »

Moral reasons aside for a moment, refusing to acknowledge an obvious historical fact is pretty stupid.

Does Congress have to issue an official statement addressing all historical facts? When can we expect a resolution acknowledging the Czarist ethnic cleansing of Circassians or the supression of the Indian rebellion?

Considering the U.S. government had been, for political reasons, pretending for years the slaughter of 1.5 million people because of their nationality was something else than "genocide", I'd say yes, that would be nice.

Could you provide a source for the U.S. government actively engaging in genocide denial, as opposed to merely not discouraging it by their ally?
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« Reply #5 on: April 29, 2014, 09:55:55 PM »

Moral reasons aside for a moment, refusing to acknowledge an obvious historical fact is pretty stupid.

Does Congress have to issue an official statement addressing all historical facts? When can we expect a resolution acknowledging the Czarist ethnic cleansing of Circassians or the supression of the Indian rebellion?

Considering the U.S. government had been, for political reasons, pretending for years the slaughter of 1.5 million people because of their nationality was something else than "genocide", I'd say yes, that would be nice.

Could you provide a source for the U.S. government actively engaging in genocide denial, as opposed to merely not discouraging it by their ally?

I'm sure Andrew Jackson didn't consider himself genocidal.
What the Hell does that have to do with anything? Your post is a massive strawman.

Jackson committed a genocide, did he not? While the concept of genocide didn't exist at the time, I'm going to assume he didn't think what he did fit was some sort of hugely morally objectionable act, seeing as he did it.

Which is a complete red herring argument, given that anyone who could see the context of the post would understand that I was referring to the Armenian Genocide specifically, given that Kalwejt alleged that the US has actively denied the Armenian Genocide in the past.
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