It amuses me when people discuss dismembering Russia, forgetting that Russia has the power to turn us all into shadows on the wall and wouldn't hesitate to do so in order to forgo that outcome. While there are some unrealistic elements of the peace plan broached in the topic post and others in this thread have done a fine job of pointing them out, I do appreciate that it recognizes the need to give Russia an off-ramp that would discourage taking a nuclear option. I voted "yes" on the poll.
Yeah people don’t get that due to Russian nukes , they do have more leverage then they otherwise do . While that sucks , it is something we cannot change and thus have to deal with the issue as exists rather than what ideally should happen
Yeah, there needs to be a real compromise. Like Ukraine recognizes Crimea as part of Russia, the rest of Ukraine is returned, all Ukrainian parties are unbanned, Russian is added as an official language. Ukraine can join NATO and EU but not have US troops or weapons in Ukraine.
All of this is fine except the Crimean situation, which is rightfully Ukrainian and should not be settled officially.
The NATOsphere did nothing for Russia except help rob the place blind.
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