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Zaybay
Junior Chimp
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« on: August 17, 2019, 09:22:21 AM »

It looks like a gambit to force Markey to retire under pressure of a primary challenge. Such a primary if it were to happen would certainly be interesting, as Markey is to the Left of Kennedy on most issues, most specifically Marijuana and Climate Change.

Markey will need some good endorsements from folks like Senator Warren and other progressives to dampen down the possible Progressive support Kennedy may have. Meanwhile, Kennedy needs high profile Democrats to stay out, and let his geographic base and name do all the talking.

Its certainly uncallable at this point, but Id put my money on Markey.
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Zaybay
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2019, 07:35:36 PM »

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Zaybay
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #2 on: September 11, 2019, 07:33:17 PM »

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/09/11/joe-kennedy-ed-markey-challenge-1491098

A growing list of Democrats are becoming opposed to the idea of Kennedy challenging Markey. Chuck Schumer, along with Elizabeth Warren, Dick Durbin, Joe Manchin, and Jenne Shaheen are the most notable senate backers for Markey.

Kennedy also now has a senate backer, Kyrsten Sinema.

But generally, both the farthest Left of the party(AOC, Warren) and the farthest right of the party(Manchin) are uniting to support Markey.
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Zaybay
Junior Chimp
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E: -7.25, S: -6.50

« Reply #3 on: September 11, 2019, 08:44:35 PM »

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/09/11/joe-kennedy-ed-markey-challenge-1491098

A growing list of Democrats are becoming opposed to the idea of Kennedy challenging Markey. Chuck Schumer, along with Elizabeth Warren, Dick Durbin, Joe Manchin, and Jenne Shaheen are the most notable senate backers for Markey.

Kennedy also now has a senate backer, Kyrsten Sinema.

But generally, both the farthest Left of the party(AOC, Warren) and the farthest right of the party(Manchin) are uniting to support Markey.

I wonder why most Democrats are rallying in Markey's corner. Perhaps his decades of experience weighs upon them? And maybe some of them might have the same objections to the continuance of a moribund political dynasty, that many others have.

Those are all possible reasons, but a likely big one is the fact that Markey has a lot of personal relationships with these senators. Sinema has only been serving for about a year, but Warren, Manchin, and all the rest have served with Markey for almost 6 years now.

Theres also the fact that its usually not a good idea to encourage primary challenges or piss off your fellow senators. There was a legitimate fear back in 2018 for many Democrats when it came to endorsing Marie Newman, and in the end, only Sanders and Gillibrand backed her.
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Zaybay
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #4 on: June 28, 2020, 01:33:22 PM »

The fact that Neal hasnt released any polls of the race is what gives me pause on rating it. If he had a strong margin, then he'd want to publish it, but he hasnt. He's either more vulnerable than he appears, or he's sitting on a strong poll to use at a later date.

I honestly cant tell which one it is. Better to bet on the incumbent though.
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Zaybay
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #5 on: July 23, 2020, 10:02:44 AM »
« Edited: July 23, 2020, 12:16:03 PM by Zaybay »

Kennedy is wasting tons of money that could be used against Mr. Trump and his enablers instead. And I still haven't figured out why he wants Markey to go other than for self-promotion. MA has 2 senators unlikely to stay in for many more decades and he has the time to wait a few more years or run 4 gov once Charlie Baker decides to retire.

No that's literally it. No ideological differences, no demographic differences, no tactical differences. Literally pure ego and it's a drain on resources and a waste of Markey's time. I really hope JKIII loses so he can get out of politics

This is such BS. This race is not taking any resources away from the fight against Trumpism. ZERO. It’s a Safe Dem seat in a Safe Dem state in a region where virtually all races are Safe or at worst Likely Dem.

In recent years you’ve had many Dems who have been in Washington for years being primaried by much younger candidates who have been reasonably in lock step with them on policy issues (Yes slightly more left). The challengers in those races have proclaimed “We need younger people to represent us, we need a new generation”.

AOC, Bowman and Pressley to name a few. But for some reason when Joe Kennedy primaries someone his point about a new generation stepping up is discredited because he comes from a family with many relatively who have sacrafised so much for this country.

With that being said, those thinking JK will win this race don’t know what they’re talking about & are being overly simplistic. Unfortunately the Bernie Bro Pitch Fork brigade has been effective in bruising the image of a young man who would be PHENOMENAL in the Senate. Sadly my state isn’t what it used to be in this regard

Ah yes, I remember when notable progressive firebrand and democratic socialist Crowley got primaried out by AOC. Good times.

You're fundamentally misunderstanding the successful primaries that have occurred so far. Neither AOC, Bowman, nor Pressley won by saying "new blood", they all had very good pitches to the changing demographics in their seat.

- AOC was a Hispanic running in a seat that had become plurality/majority Hispanic. She also stood as a contrast to the moderate Crowley, and was able to use Crowley's lack of attention to the seat to argue that he was out of touch.
- Bowman appealed to the African Americans in the seat, who were a plurality, through the recent events that came from George Floyd's murder. He also was able to use the fact that Engel stepped in a ton of s*** to argue that Engel was out of touch with his seat.
- Pressley's primary was the most racially based of the successful primaries.She argued that a majority-minority seat needed a minority to represent it. She also argued that Capuano had grown out of touch with his seat, especially with his connections to police unions.

None of the three have used "we need new blood" as their main sales pitch for their primary. Kennedy is because there fundamentally is very little else to run on. The two are ideologically similar, hell, he may be the more moderate of the two. They're both white and its Massachusetts. The only issue Kennedy can run on is the fact that Markey is old and he is young.

Any primary candidate just arguing for new blood would be blown out of the water, but Kennedy appears to be a special case for reasons that are not very appealing outside the state. It makes him look entitled. He has no real appeal to voters except the fact that his family are famed in politics. Nobody likes the guy who gets the job based on family connections.
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