2017 Virginia HoD Thread

[Zaybay]

This lawsuit is the final nail in the VAGOP coffin. There is no way they can come back from this, and even without the lawsuit, its very likely that the Dems would still get a trifecta. The bench is now weak and the GOP are isolated in the west and center, self packing themselves. The Dems will have redistricting power in 2020, and the GOP will not be saved.

[Zaybay]

This lawsuit is the final nail in the VAGOP coffin. There is no way they can come back from this, and even without the lawsuit, its very likely that the Dems would still get a trifecta. The bench is now weak and the GOP are isolated in the west and center, self packing themselves. The Dems will have redistricting power in 2020, and the GOP will not be saved.

This is exactly why I think that Republicans in the General Assembly will agree to an independent redistricting commission (inspired by One Virginia 2021), probably next year. 

There's nothing like staring into the abyss to concentrate the mind.....

I'd almost be against an independent commission in Virginia anymore.   At least until Texas/North Carolina adopt something similar.

Yeah Democrats are pussies and never play hardball with this stuff. They’d rather be self-righteous and handcuff themselves while Republicans go about their maps unanswered

With Kennedy gone...independent redistricting commissions will most likely be ruled un-constitutional by SCOTUS. It's time for Dems to repeal independent commissions and just gerrymander the hell out of every state like never before. There shouldn't be a single GOP district in NY, CA, or VA.

...I really doubt that Kennedy was the roadblock stopping the SC from getting rid of Independent commissions. I agree that Dems should play hardball, but I really doubt that everything is screwed because the moderate-conservative will be replaced by a conservative.

In fact...he was. In the SCOTUS case Arizona State Legislature v. Arizona Independent Redistricting Commission, Kennedy sided with the libs that independent redistricting commissions were constitutional. Clown Justice Roberts along with whatever right wing goon that replaces Kennedy will almost surely strike down the law.

I see, but Roberts hasn't been very keen on overturning decisions that his court decided. Its also important to note that its likely the GOP would lose out if this goes through, since this would leave CA, VA, NJ, NY, WA and soon AZ to gerrymander and effectively take over the house. The Dems have been restrained in gerrymandering and have had independent commissions mostly effect them, but if the court guts it, the GOP house majority is screwed.

[Zaybay]

This lawsuit is the final nail in the VAGOP coffin. There is no way they can come back from this, and even without the lawsuit, its very likely that the Dems would still get a trifecta. The bench is now weak and the GOP are isolated in the west and center, self packing themselves. The Dems will have redistricting power in 2020, and the GOP will not be saved.

This is exactly why I think that Republicans in the General Assembly will agree to an independent redistricting commission (inspired by One Virginia 2021), probably next year. 

There's nothing like staring into the abyss to concentrate the mind.....

I'd almost be against an independent commission in Virginia anymore.   At least until Texas/North Carolina adopt something similar.

Yeah Democrats are pussies and never play hardball with this stuff. They’d rather be self-righteous and handcuff themselves while Republicans go about their maps unanswered

With Kennedy gone...independent redistricting commissions will most likely be ruled un-constitutional by SCOTUS. It's time for Dems to repeal independent commissions and just gerrymander the hell out of every state like never before. There shouldn't be a single GOP district in NY, CA, or VA.

...I really doubt that Kennedy was the roadblock stopping the SC from getting rid of Independent commissions. I agree that Dems should play hardball, but I really doubt that everything is screwed because the moderate-conservative will be replaced by a conservative.

In fact...he was. In the SCOTUS case Arizona State Legislature v. Arizona Independent Redistricting Commission, Kennedy sided with the libs that independent redistricting commissions were constitutional. Clown Justice Roberts along with whatever right wing goon that replaces Kennedy will almost surely strike down the law.

I see, but Roberts hasn't been very keen on overturning decisions that his court decided. Its also important to note that its likely the GOP would lose out if this goes through, since this would leave CA, VA, NJ, NY, WA and soon AZ to gerrymander and effectively take over the house. The Dems have been restrained in gerrymandering and have had independent commissions mostly effect them, but if the court guts it, the GOP house majority is screwed.

Don’t hold your breath. Guarantee you Democrats would still decide to be self sanctimonious even if commissions are outlawed and just decide to “play fair” as they’re getting simultaneously ed by GOP gerrymanders without any lube.

But yeah, if Dems had any metaphorical balls whatsoever they would just nuke the CA, WA and NJ commissions and gerrymander the hell out of those states.

The thing is though, they did. The whole reason these states have commissions is because of D gerrymanders that got overturned by voters. With their hands free, and the idea that its the only way to win, I doubt they would be fair about it. Maybe 2012 Democrats, but not now. Democrats so far have been shown to dig their heels in, even shutting down the government, which is crazy for the party associated with Big Government. Of course, with all of these ideas, time will tell.

[Zaybay]

Yeah let’s not gerrymander. We don’t want to end up like the GOP now in the 2020s and have an artificial majority filled with crazy people who can’t lose.

So your saying to protect us from the horror of a couple of socialists in the Democratic party, we should hand over control of 1/3 of the US legislature, or at least severely disadvantage ourselves?