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andjey
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« on: November 13, 2022, 05:06:59 PM »

I would say two things: first, this is going to be a very interesting race. Second, I just hope the next Senator from California isn't Ro Khanna
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andjey
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« Reply #1 on: November 14, 2022, 11:36:44 AM »

I would say two things: first, this is going to be a very interesting race. Second, I just hope the next Senator from California isn't Ro Khanna

What's wrong with Khanna in your mind? He's a pretty standard Democrat from what I know.



In general, I always considered him to be rather weak in his position on Russia. His support to now-withdrawn letter of CPC to Biden which was a big disappointment and which basically asks to push Ukraine into negotiations and ceding territories, reaffirm my judgment on him. In the Senate there are already some pro-Putin members (e.g. Rand Paul, Josh Hawley), one will be sworn-in on January 3, 2023 (J.D. Vance, who "doesn't really care what happens to Ukraine one way or another") and I don't want this "Putin caucus" to grow any more

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andjey
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« Reply #2 on: November 14, 2022, 11:56:38 AM »

I would say two things: first, this is going to be a very interesting race. Second, I just hope the next Senator from California isn't Ro Khanna

What's wrong with Khanna in your mind? He's a pretty standard Democrat from what I know.

In general, I always considered him to be rather weak in his position on Russia. His support to now-withdrawn letter of CPC to Biden which was a big disappointment and which basically asks to push Ukraine into negotiations and ceding territories, reaffirm my judgment on him. In the Senate there are already some pro-Putin members (e.g. Rand Paul, Josh Hawley), one will be sworn-in on January 3, 2023 (J.D. Vance, who "doesn't really care what happens to Ukraine one way or another") and I don't want this "Putin caucus" to grow any more

Ah, ok-- I should've guessed. If he had just asked for negotiations then I'd be ok with that; even if they don't go anywhere, it's important to at least give Putin the feeling that he has a way out of this so that he doesn't go ballistic. Pushing Zelensky to actually cede territory is disqualifying though IMO.

As a citizen of Ukraine, I really do not like the idea of negotiations with Russia. And I still consider them impossible, because Putin's idea is to destroy the Ukrainian nation and anything related to Ukraine, and he has not given it up, and is unlikely to give it up.

But at the same time, I understand that no matter how much I would like it, Ukraine has no chance of capturing Moscow, so negotiations at some stage are necessary. The result of this war will be decided on the battlefield, and then this result will be fixed on paper by a treaty between the two states, and it will probably be signed by another Russian president, not Putin, from the Russian side. At the same time, Ukraine should not surrender a single piece of its land, we can talk about a certain transitional period for Crimea and Donbas (15-20 years, as was proposed in the spring, during this period of time everything in the said territory will gradually adapt to the return to Ukraine), but there should be no question of surrendering the territories, because, firstly, it would be a dangerous precedent for the world, and secondly, if Russia gets at least something beneficial for itself from this war (for example, the recognition of Crimea), then it is guaranteed after 5-10 years there will be a new attack and a new attempt to annex new Ukrainian territories.

That's why Khanna's views are unacceptable to me.
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andjey
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« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2022, 04:02:53 PM »

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