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Verily
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« on: February 01, 2008, 12:33:00 AM »

Errr... no. Let's put it another way... no. This guy could vie with Mitty.
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« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2008, 02:11:17 AM »
« Edited: February 01, 2008, 02:14:33 AM by Verily »

Sorry, but there's some truth to this.

Maybe not a lot, but a nugget.

I had written up a long response to this earlier, but I got too worked up to finish it, so I'm not bothering. Suffice to say that the grains of truth are very small and do not stack up with what is not being talked about in the article.
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« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2008, 12:04:06 PM »

I was actually referring to some of the issues relating to the MLK/Johnson thing.

I agreed with Hillary that the Civil Rights movement would have had a MUCH harder time politically without Johnson as an ally - roughing up his own party.

We'll have to agree to disagree. I think, once the ground movement got underway, someone would have taken it up. In fact, there were other champions within both parties, and Johnson actually did not believe in Civil Rights until he spoke with Kennedy about it (Kennedy having pushed Civil Rights legislation prior to his assassination, so it wasn't even Johnson's "idea"). The only sense in which Johnson specifically benefited anyone politically was that he gave the Democrats a lock on the emergent black vote, but, if you're referring strictly to electoral success, it came at the expense of the Solid South.

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Frankly, I don't know how you can read so deeply into any of these, and everyone's eyes deceive them. I saw a lot of annoyed sighing from Clinton last night; clearly she is being vain and vindictive.
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