Biden VP news megathread (pg 286 - been selected, announcement could be today)

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Harris was basically written off in 2010 Attorney General race because she was anti-death penalty and was running against a Republican who won in Los Angeles County. I recall people actually being shocked when she won Los Angeles County because there was an assumption that Cooley would win it or at least keep it close. The race wasn't close because Harris was bad candidate, it was close because who she was running against.

Exactly!

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I mean none of them should be accepted. Politicians should have to answer for what they did in the past if they claim to be turning over a new leaf. My problem with Harris is that not only has she not addressed the specific abuses that she committed as prosecutor, when confronted with some of them by Tulsi Gabbard (because journalists are apparently reluctant to do it), she completely brushed it off as if she was too good to even respond to the point. No she didn't say "it was one of the thousands of lawyers under me" because some of these cases were very high profile, made the LA Times, and involved hundreds of cases. KAMALA HARRIS knew about them. She actually said "I'm proud of my record" as prosecutor. If that's the kind of record she's proud of then Amy Klobuchar can say she's proud of her record too. Then any prosecutor whose office illegally withheld evidence, fabricated transcripts, and sued to keep an innocent man behind bars can be proud.

As far as Warren I disagree with her endorsement of Hickenlooper, it was a sh**tty move. But as a progressive I support her for VP because she's by far the most progressive option out there. Give me an alternative that is better than her and I'll switch to them. But as of now she's better than the other options being talked about.

If "none of them should be accepted", then why do you accept Warren? Just because you personally decided that she's "the most progressive option"?

*interesting*

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Not exactly a dealbraker but Rice's son is a staunch Republican, and from what I've read he declared recently that he will campaign against Biden even if his mother is selected as his VP.

I would consider myself as a failed parent if my child turned out like Rice's son. The embarrassment would be overwhelming.

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The Knights of Columbus is just another reason for Biden to avoid Harris, it is not worth all the cultural traps she will walk directly into.

People here who think she is getting picked also don't know anything. How do we know Biden didn't meet with Demings and was swept away by her? His team isn't leaking anything for a reason.

OK, Mr. I Hate Kamala For Any Reason™.

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My VP rankings:

1. Harris
2. KLB
3. Warren
4. Duckworth

That's it.

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This is interesting. One of the women who wrote an editorial on Kamala back in early 2019 is changing her tune on how "bad" her "record" is

Almost makes you wonder if many of the attacks on Harris's record were done in bad faith.

https://twitter.com/deepa_shivaram/status/1275084172940451840

You love to see it!

All of last year when I supported Kamala for President, Bernie Bros and other anti-Kamala haters would bring up this article. It was so annoying. "Kamala is a cop", "Kamala is not a progressive", "Kamala locked up Black men"; "Kamala terrorized Black & Brown Californians", etc.

Now, finally, the author admits the truth. Wonderful!

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This is interesting. One of the women who wrote an editorial on Kamala back in early 2019 is changing her tune on how "bad" her "record" is

Almost makes you wonder if many of the attacks on Harris's record were done in bad faith.

https://twitter.com/deepa_shivaram/status/1275084172940451840

Again, these are just allies of Harris. We have no clue if Biden and one of the others are hitting it off behind the scenes.

Um, Lara Bazelon (the author of the January 2019 NYT Op-Ed against Kamala) is definitely NOT an ally of Kamala. What are you talking about lol?

Once again, you let your anti-Kamala bias cloud your judgement. Give it up.

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LOL at the comments of this tweet who say that Harris is worse than Palin.
I'm starting to believe that Harris Derangement Syndrome is a thing.

They'll never admit it.

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Elizabeth Warren got a DNA test after Trump double dog dared her to, but sure Kamala is the one who has bad political instincts...

Which is why her campaign did so much better than Warren's. Wait...

You and this flawed annoying talking point..........again .

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https://mobile.twitter.com/dick_nixon/status/1275498116511383552

Oh god this is embarrassing. Please just pick Duckworth

what is embarrassing about it? it was a debate. what is she supposed to say? after 2008 and 2016, people need to stop taking tiffs in debates so seriously later on

The debate moment was fine. What's concerning us how she"s completely unprepared to respond to a predictable line if questioning.

Not really. What else was she supposed to say? "I meant what I said and Joe Biden will not get my vote"?

People say disparaging stuff that they don't mean half the time in a primary. Also, I see people all the time insinuating that Kamala is basically the 21st century & non-white version of Bull Connor when she was a prosecutor.

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Any female politician that you don't like is not "like Hillary" you guys. Stop it.

Kamala is NOTHING like Hillary.

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Any female politician that you don't like is not "like Hillary" you guys. Stop it.

Kamala is NOTHING like Hillary.

Hey, I said Kamala is like Hillary because I like Hillary Clinton.  I'm stickin' to my guns on this one.

I was speaking generally. Also, there are other posters who used that comparison negatively.

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Also in the YouGov poll: who do you think should be selected as Joe Biden’s VP?
(Among voters voting for Joe Biden)

Kamala Harris 24%
Elizabeth Warren 18%
Stacey Abrams 9%
Susan Rice 6%
Val Demings 3%
Gretchen Whitmer 3%
Keisha Lance Bottoms 2%
Tammy Baldwin 1%
Michelle Lujan Grisham 1%

Females: Harris 22%, Warren 17%, Abrams 10%
Males: Harris 26%, Warren 20%, Abrams 8%
18-29: Warren 25%, Harris 21%, Abrams 8%
Whites: Harris 21%, Warren 18%, Abrams 8%
Blacks: Harris 21%, Warren 19%, Abrams 14%
Hispanics: Harris 37%, Warren 16%, Abrams 6%

This shows that Harris has both wide appeal and a wider base than what some in here like to claim.

Also, if Biden has a "Hispanic voter problem", then this poll CLEARLY shows that he should pick Kamala.

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New Atlantic article posted about Harris; Takeaways; still seem to be a good bit of skepticism in Biden‘s inner circle, but also a lot of resignation that she’ll probably be picked . Clyburn compared it to the Reagan Bush ticket

Reagan/Bush ticket? That's a dumb comparison by Clyburn.

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In the Times poll, four in five registered voters said that race shouldn’t be a factor in Mr. Biden’s selection of a running mate. That group included three-quarters of the black voters polled, and more than 8 in 10 white and Hispanic voters.

These majorities are overwhelming, by far greater than any polling we've seen on particular candidates. 91% of Black voters in swing states say race should not be a factor. I hope Team Biden is paying attention. Yet based on the names batted around so far, it seems he's caving to the small minority of racists who insist it "has" to be a Black woman.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/26/us/politics/biden-vice-president-voters.html

"small minority of racists"?

Yeah, you're a joke and should NOT be taken seriously.

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It just occurred to me but isn't it a bit weird that nobody ever mentions that Harris will also be the first Asian-American on a presidential ticket?

She seemingly doesn't identify as mixed or Asian, and most Americans don't think Indians are Asians anyway.

Yeah, this. She identifies as a Black woman.

Also, most Americans when they hear the word "Asian" think of people who are of East Asian & Southeast Asian ancestry (Chinese, Korean, Japanese, Vietnamese, Thai, Filipino, etc).

It's the complete opposite in the UK. Most British people when they hear the word "Asian" think of South Asians (Indians, Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, Sri Lankans, etc).

It has to do with history. Most Asians in the US are of East/Southeast Asian ancestry and the US has been much more involved in East & Southeast Asian affairs (Commodore Matthew C. Perry opening up Japan, Boxer Rebellion, annexation of The Philippines, rebuilding Japan after WWII, Korean War, Vietnam War, Nixon opening up mainland China, etc) than in South Asia. Most Asians in the UK are of South Asian ancestry and the UK colonized basically all of South Asia/the Indian subcontinent.

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50% of this forum will lose their minds when Joe picks Kamala lol.

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50% of this forum will lose their minds when Joe picks Kamala lol.

I really don't want her, but I'm not going to "lose my mind" over it. It's where the signs are pointing, and Biden as nominee is already disappointing so it's expected.

I'm not sure he's going to pick Harris. I have to think the focus groups and research would indicate Duckworth is a much better option.

Yourself =/= focus group.

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Josh Barro
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There goes Biden again, not letting himself get walked into unpopular culture war positions.

This is why I think he will avoid Harris and Warren for the VP slot. When up 10 points, there is little upside to inviting these questions whenever a running mate wades into these issues.

when has Harris or Warren really been in "unpopular culture war positions"? Warren may jump on more left-leaning proposals like M4A, but neither have gone so far as to be with like Ilhan, etc. where they're joining "defund the police" / fringe left positions

Reparations for both. Twitter censorship for Harris. Much of what went down in the last weeks of Warren's campaign. Both of their initial responses to defund the police, which were initially a bit more equivocal than Biden's.

I don't think it's a huge liability for either of them or Biden as VP-nominees, for what it's worth, but I could see why that might make a candidate who'd been a bit more low-key about these issues (even if low-key just means less in the spotlight) appealing to Carville types.

The fact that reparations is a "culture war issue" says a lot about America. Every other group that has been severely marginalized and oppressed have gotten reparations or some other form of compensation (Native Americans & Japanese-Americans, for example) but yet the people who built this country can't? Unbelievable.

My parents are from Jamaica so reparations probably wouldn't even apply to me.

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Josh Barro
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There goes Biden again, not letting himself get walked into unpopular culture war positions.

This is why I think he will avoid Harris and Warren for the VP slot. When up 10 points, there is little upside to inviting these questions whenever a running mate wades into these issues.

when has Harris or Warren really been in "unpopular culture war positions"? Warren may jump on more left-leaning proposals like M4A, but neither have gone so far as to be with like Ilhan, etc. where they're joining "defund the police" / fringe left positions

Reparations for both. Twitter censorship for Harris. Much of what went down in the last weeks of Warren's campaign. Both of their initial responses to defund the police, which were initially a bit more equivocal than Biden's.

I don't think it's a huge liability for either of them or Biden as VP-nominees, for what it's worth, but I could see why that might make a candidate who'd been a bit more low-key about these issues (even if low-key just means less in the spotlight) appealing to Carville types.

The fact that reparations is a "culture war issue" says a lot about America. Every other group that has been severely marginalized and oppressed have gotten reparations or some other form of compensation (Native Americans & Japanese-Americans, for example) but yet the people who built this country can't? Unbelievable.

My parents are from Jamaica so reparations probably wouldn't even apply to me.

That’s the issue with reparations for me. Black people deserve it, of course. But how do we decide who gets it? Blacks in the United States suffer from systemic racism. That effects both current African immigrants as well as the descendants of slaves. Is the US giving reparations for slavery? Is it for the system to racism perpetrated in the country? No one knows and there’s no cut-and-dry way to figure it out.

That's true. It will be difficult to assess how reparations should be given out. I think it should be multi-faceted (not just a cash payment).

However, it shouldn't be a "culture war" issue which is what I was primarily addressing in my previous post.

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Reparations is a really unpopular position. But you can see why maybe Biden wants a lower key running mate who could help him get that 10-15% victory. There is a lot of political value in winning big and Harris/Warren complicate this goal.

Once again, just because you say something doesn't make it true.

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https://twitter.com/Carrasquillo/status/1278725154906963968

B-b-butt Kamala lost the hispanic vote against a hispanic woman in 2016!

The funny thing about that argument is that she did fairly well among Hispanic voters against Loretta Sanchez.

Kamala got 47% to Sanchez's 53%, according to CNN exit polling.

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Being part of the urban woke left.
Having an overly combative personality that is not terribly likable.
A SF socialite with a story that is not even close to Duckworth or Demings in terms of appeal.

She grew up in Oakland to immigrant parents and went to an HBCU (Howard University). That doesn't seem like a "socialite" to me.

Nice dog-whistling here. *interesting*

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Call me a concern troll all you want, but I have a bad feeling about whoever Biden's running mate is going to be. They'll instantly become a lightning rod for the Trump campaign, and it'll work. Their attacks against her will stick, far better than they do against Teflon Joe, of that I am certain. Very soon, Trump won't be running against Biden - he'll be running against Harris. Or Warren. Or some other woman. And it could, potentially, galvanize his supporters in a really nasty way.

There's very little Biden can do to mitigate that, however. He's been running an incredible one-person campaign so far. There's a huge amount of risk to be expected when the other half of the ticket is finally revealed. And who knows how it'll all shake out in the end.

Exactly, but I think they would stick much less to Duckworth or Demings than Harvard/San Francisco Kamala and Warren.

Can you stop? Nobody cares about this.

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You think no one does. But it could be the difference between a 5% victory and not winning Senate and 12% with 53 Senators. The bottom line is that wing of the party is really unpopular outside of a half dozen cities and university towns.

No, nothing you said makes any sense.