Zogby Interactive polls: Ford, McCaskill, and Webb all trail

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/info-elections06.html?project=elections06-ft&h=495&w=778&hasAd=1&mod=blogs

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Not in TN and VA that people overestimated.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

When Zogby have Dems ahead like Webb it is alright to listen, but when he doesn't they are crap. They are tracking polls, that's what it should be taken into account.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Yea, but all I am saying is take all the polls into account don't just pick and chose which ones you like. And we still haven't heard from Mason-dixon in OH, MO, TN, and VA, which polls weed out all the democratic biased  to me.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

But in 2004 he only got 2 states wrong which were NM and FL. I am not saying you should go strickly by it but you should factor it in in with the other polls. By the way I said you should toss out the Zogby polls that aren't realistic like VA was but the ones that are realistic then you shouldn't and these polls are more realistic this time, except for NJ.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

You mock me but you were quoting Zogby last month when you said Zogby has Webb ahead. I see your rationale quote Zogby when he is right, mock him when he is wrong. And the markets are saying the same exact thing the republicans retain the senate.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

But he has mentioned Zogby in his CT senate poll race citing optimism that Lamont will win. But fail to mention the others. So, he has two the quote for Webb and the quote from Lamont. Like I said when he shows a Dem bias I point that out, but when he isn't I don't point it out, in his last two, he showed a Dem bias, and now he doesn't.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

But he did on the Va senate race and that is all that matters.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

You said that he hoped that it was right but he still went by it and that all that matters to me. And I see this map being more realistic despite what the polls say, the Dems once held 20 pt lead has narrowed to 9 pts in the latest Zogby poll.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

They fixed the VA problem though and the other states.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Hoping is justifying the polls, if one doesn't believe in the polls the one doesn't get their hopes up it is just simple as that. I never got my hopes up on that Zogby poll but you did that is the difference. As far as these polls being inaccurate, I would remind you that Zogby has the same approval rating at everyone else does in at 42% and he has the Dems ahead on the ballot by 9 points, I don't think you can call that absurb.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

I didn't say you said he was ahead, but you the one who goes by Dem skewed polls not me. The poll in Va corresponds to the polls and the polls in every state corresponds to the polls. Again, I said I never got my hopes up after I saw that VA, you did that is the difference. And no polls has Ford ahead except a Survey USa poll that was skewed. No poll has Allen up so I will go by it. The difference in Zogby in 2004 was that it was a liberal bias not a conservative bias.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

The Benenson group poll that had Ford ahead, the Dem skewed poll that had Ford ahead in Survey USA which was disputed by Rasmussen that showed Ford trailing. I am not saying you shouldn't go by it, but you should go by other polls that you don't agree with instead of taking only the polls you like. And to get your hopes up is to me the same thing as going by the poll, I never got my hopes up after that Zogby poll in that Sept edition.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

I am saying that you shouldn't get your hopes up on polls that agree with you or polls that disagree with you, you should wait and calm down and see where the election is headed before you assume anything, and its in the bag for the Dems to takeover the senate, which I heard you repeadly say in these threads. Saying that Va will be our 6th seat to begin with.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

But you got your hopes up too soon, the Dems may very well take the senate, but it is going to be a slow gradual process and I don't think yet they have it. They have to campaign more  and then hope. But the chances of taking the senate is not as strong as in the house.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Back to my last point, that I was saying not that he went by them but he was getting his hopes up too soon, and the chances of Dems taking back the senate isn't that strong.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

But agreeing on polls that show your candidate ahead and disagreeing with the ones you don't like isn't the way it suppose to be. That is what I was correctly pointing out.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

I said that you repeatedly said that the Dems will take the senate and you did say that the Dems are going to take the 6th seat in VA, that is plenty of proof. And not one poll that shows your candidates behind you agreed with in VA, or TN or MO. You say repeadely that in those three states when a different poll come out favoring the candidate I kew they were ahead.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

You did say you hoped the Dems would.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

The hopes of Dems are too high they need to wait and see where this election is going to go, there isn't a definate chance of the Dems taking back the senate, but coming close might be a definate chance.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

But you had hopes that the Dems were going to take the senate. Before this poll came out.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

At any rate polls no matte if they favor Dems or Republicans and are snapshots in time, I think even Zogby polls deserves a chance to be listened to and see if they affirm or conflict with other polls, Iwouldn't dismiss them off hand yet, even if the mythology is messed  up.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

I don't think they are garbage polls, I think they are tracking polls and should be treated as such. 

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Again, I take them like they are internals, not at the same rate as a regular poll. And it is the same to go by Zogby as internals.