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Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers
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« Reply #100 on: August 13, 2021, 06:24:43 PM »

Speaker Pelosi cannot afford a Govt shutdown and these moderate Rs were the same ones like Cassidy that negotiated the stimulus, they agreed on everything but the 2K checks and passed 600 only and passed infrastructure before Xmas

The samething is gonna happen, the infrastructure is gonna pass with the Appropriations bills and Reconciliation will pass in 2022, this is FY 2022 not 2021 budget anyways, and there should be no Govt shutdown in a Pandemic


AOC and her squad are the only ones demanding Reconciliation comes with Infrastructure
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« Reply #101 on: August 13, 2021, 07:56:34 PM »

As I said before, the moderates are rebelling against the the AOC wing of the party, just like Manchin and Sinema said they won't support the 3.5T, AOC ran Pelosi last time by holding up the 2.2T stimulus package and she is holding the infrastructure bill hostage to reconciliation, the moderates don't want any parts of AOC socialism
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« Reply #102 on: August 14, 2021, 12:37:13 PM »

It won't matter there is a standoff, moderates want 1.2T to be voted on and signed into law before Reconciliation bill
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« Reply #103 on: August 14, 2021, 05:09:38 PM »

It's all over Yahoo that Moderate D's are blocking AOC squad over making Pelosi pass the infrastructure deal first to Biden and the Reconciliation, next.

AOC was on MTP all summer long saying she had the upper hand on making Pelosi pass both bills together, don't count your chickens🐔🐔🐔

Moderates aren't bucking down on this, Pelosi only has a 2 seat Majority
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« Reply #104 on: August 14, 2021, 09:54:56 PM »
« Edited: August 14, 2021, 10:00:25 PM by Mr. Kanye West »

So many of you don't appreciate the power of Speaker Pelosi. If there's anyone that can navigate this, it's her. There is no one in the federal government I have more confidence in than her.

Seriously, Pelosi doesn't miss.  When is the last time Pelosi screwed up?

Pelosi is seriously the most underrated American politician.  Look at Boehner and Ryan, and that chump Kevin McCarthy.  Pelosi always wins.

Like imagine if Kevin McCarthy was a Democrat and had to run the Dem House Caucus right now, what a disaster that would be.  Or imagine if Pelosi was a Republican and had been running the House under Trump, just how much stuff would have gotten shoved through.

Reminder that Pelosi passed mountains upon mountains of legislation in the first 100 days of Obama's presidency that completely reshaped America and erased most of the Bush legacy.  But everyone forgets that, and then says "lol Obama had 60 votes and what did he do" because he didn't pass their pet policy.


Pelosi did screw up, she held the 2.2T Stimulus package hostage in time for the Election and she ended up losing seats and we lost ME and NC as a result

That's why we are in the bind we are in, in the H, we were supposed to gain seats, Pelosi screwed up

I know Pelosi, I lived in her district where there are homeless people, that's why near downtown they let you rode buses all night for free due to homelessness

SF is still a beautiful city due to the fact it doesn't snow despite the DROUGHT

Pelosi is  imperfect, she ended up with 900B stimulus, and the reason why we still have cases they don't test anymore, part of the Stimulus was to test and trace, once they got vaccines they stopped offering food and water for testing sites


Vaccine sites don't have food or water they just give you the shot
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Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers
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« Reply #105 on: August 22, 2021, 11:18:59 AM »

Keep in mind M dicare doesn't pay 100%it pays 70%, of you are on Medicare you have to pay a fee for Prescription drugs like  up to 5.00

If Dental is covered it will pay up to 70% off of false teeth

If you are a Senior or on Disability, you are able to get Dual Coverage up to 1480 a mnth without this bill

Medicaid pays for all Doctor and Dental visits, but won't pay for False teeth or Frames of Contacts over 100

Medicaid pays your Medicate Premiums up to 1480 in Cali where cost of living is much more

Medicare doesnt pay for Nursing Homes, even if you are over income, if you go to a Nursing home you have to apply for Medicaid

To answer your question, Medicare paying for false teeth up to 70% and on frames and contacts up to 100 if your on Disability it applies to you

But, Medicare A and B DOESNT PAY 100% IT PAYS 70% so if you need a partial or Denture and it's 1400 you still will pay 30% and you have to pay out of pocket on frames and contacts costing 200+
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« Reply #106 on: September 02, 2021, 02:25:49 PM »



I'm sick of this Dem terrorist !!!

It's an Infrastructure and Health care plan, LOL IT'S NOT A MINIMUM WAGE OR CDC BAM ON EVICTIONS OR ITS NOT A UBI PLAN and it's certainly not extending Unemployment

YANG DIDNT SSU FOR D's to end UBI once there are jobs when Covid or Income inequality leaves us

I am not worried about this and many Ds should not be either
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« Reply #107 on: September 02, 2021, 02:43:00 PM »

If D's win the Trifecta again next yr and win 53 go oyes to bypass Sinema, Manchin and Tester, they will raise the minimum wage, pass Reparations in a new Spending bill, that's why DeSajtis and Rubio being up only 3 down from 60/40% is important to wave insurance, because NC, OH, IA and FL are wave insurance and if we beat DeAntis we crack the red wall and FL has 40% Latino like Cali and BLK and Brown dominate Dayton, Columbus, Cleveland and Toleda in OH while 60% of EC vote dominate rest of state



This bill isn't the end all be all and Bullet trains will be placed in a new Infrastructure bill too if we get 53 votes
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« Reply #108 on: September 04, 2021, 03:50:38 PM »

https://news.yahoo.com/joe-manchin-says-wont-support-212454346.html


Manchin says no way to 3.5T bill,  THATS IT FOLKS


I wasn't concerned about a non Stimulant bill anyways
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« Reply #109 on: September 06, 2021, 08:48:56 AM »

D's can always amend the Bill if they win in 2022/ and get more infrastructure spending, we still need Speed rails, this isn't the END ALL BE ALL
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« Reply #110 on: September 08, 2021, 08:57:49 AM »

Why even be a Democrat if all you want to do is block everything that would help Americans, and suck on the AFP donation teat? You're absolutely pathetic. All we can do now is elect Fetterman and Barnes and remove this idiot's ability to singlehandedly control the direction of this country.
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.we have a 33 T deficit , Obama raised it from 10 to 20 T deficits didn't matter pre Pandemic that's why Trump gotten away from his tax cuts, but they do now
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« Reply #111 on: September 08, 2021, 11:15:51 AM »
« Edited: September 08, 2021, 11:21:09 AM by Mr. Kanye West »

After we lose the majority in both the House and the Senate, Manchin and Sinema must be expelled from the party.

They're not gonna be expelled, the D's have excellent Senate maps to reclaim Majority in both Houses by 2026, D's aren't gonna be in Majority forevermore unless Covid was Eradicated and Biden hasn't delivered on it, not has he delivered on his promise to Prosecute Trump, FBI which is connected with DOJ cleared Trump to run for office they n 2024

Both parties have failed to win 3 elections in a row 2006/2010 for D's and 2014-2018 for Rs and now 2018-2012 for Ds

Don't forget D's thought they were gonna win OH, MO and NJ in 2010 when Rs retired and Fisher, Carnahan FAILED
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Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers
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« Reply #112 on: September 09, 2021, 02:34:42 PM »
« Edited: September 09, 2021, 02:39:25 PM by Mr. Kanye West »

This bill can be Amended should Ds win the 2022 Midterms and D's know that, they should pass the infrastructure bill now, so Biden can have a win and push the Reconciliation package later.
It's mostly Medicare in the 3.T anyways and Seniors ad Disabled qualify for dual coverage due to fact Medicare doesn't pay but 70% Consumers pay 30%

D's are acting like Medicare with Dental coverage can't wait and Vision you gotta pay out of pocket for contacts and frames over 100 anyways


This isn't Covid Relief the urgency and anyways, Bernie and Warren wouldn't have stopped UBI payments, they would of continued or

But hopefully we get 53 votes and the H, the Rs are the ones that's against more checks Johnson blocked them twice

RO KHANNA said he was opened to more 300 and UBI payments, Biden is a blue dog that voted for Bankruptcy Reform and he wants people to work to start paying student loans back
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« Reply #113 on: September 09, 2021, 05:54:26 PM »

What can Biden and his allies relatically do to get the 3.5 trillion done? Especially clean energy standards and investments should not be taken out under any circumstances.

Vetoing the bipartisan infrastructure bill would probably backfire in public.

We’re not winning anyways if we don’t get it through.


What, yes we will win on Infrastructure MKE, Pitts, and Chi all need Infrastructure spending

Medicare is need for reform but it only covers 70% not 100% of the cost, there isn't any urgency of Medicare being updated, until after 1.2T is passed


It's a 304 map anyways, the South want their big oil and North want Green energy

In a 52/48 SEN and if we keep Sen, another infrastructure can passes

What moderates are saying let's pass infrastructure now, and wait later for spending

That's why Stephanie Murphy voted against it
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« Reply #114 on: September 10, 2021, 03:29:15 AM »
« Edited: September 10, 2021, 03:33:39 AM by Mr. Kanye West »

Manchin has made it very clear that he wants the 1.2T package passed before any Spending on Reconciliation, Pelosi whom botched the Stimulus last time wants two bills at the sametime, but the Senate is the final arbitor, due to Sinema Fillibuster

We need infrastructure spending, the Reconciliation can wait

Progressives think the House has the final say, but why can't the House enact VR by itself due to Filibuster

They're gonna run up against Xmas and Thanksgiving, it's not that far from the Holidays and there needs to be Infrastructure spending, Congress waste too much time on VR and it didn't pass anyways

At the same time these bills aren't stimulus checks, users spend alot of time on infrastructure, Stimulus checks are gone, I don't regret my vote in Primary, Bernie wouldn't have cut us off from these stimulus checks and Biden did
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« Reply #115 on: September 10, 2021, 05:08:15 PM »

They have to come up something, Xmas is coming up and the Holidays, just like with Sinema on the View said she won't change the Filibuster even for VR the Congress as usual just like with Stimulus checks have waiting too long

The 1.2T can be signed into Law as of now and next yr we can debate the Spending

The 3.5T isn't a stimulus deal, it can wait
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« Reply #116 on: September 11, 2021, 02:58:07 PM »

Thanksgiving and Xmas are coming up and Redistricting and Sinema and Manchin played politics over the Summer on VR and they are absolutely right to pass the infrastructure bill before Reconciliation, the Spending bill isn't that urgent it's not a Stimulus or unemployment check bill
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« Reply #117 on: September 12, 2021, 10:28:56 AM »

House progressives have next to no history whatsoever of actually pulling the trigger on voting down Democratic priorities, unlike their moderate nice guy FF Smiley brethren. Congress-watchers should assume that their threats to do so are empty until and unless they actually go through with it. Remember that five or six of them briefly threatened to sink the ARP too.

I think progressives in the House have been given the wink and nod from Speaker Pelosi. She knows that the bipartisan infrastructure bill is insufficient going into the midterms. I think they have tacit approval to kill it if the so-called moderates try to make the reconciliation bill practically worthless.

It's likely that we'll have to go below $3.5T, but anything near $1-1.5T is unacceptable.

Manchin is the final Arbitor of this bill, this is a Spending bill not a Stimulus bill, he is on MTP now and said his priorities are the 1.2T infrastructure not 3=5T

I fully agree with Manchin on this
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« Reply #118 on: September 12, 2021, 10:34:43 AM »

Here is Manchin, he said just now on MTP along with Sinema, they are against the 3T bill


https://www.yahoo.com/gma/manchin-sanders-odds-over-3-140220554.html


Biden low Approvals have something to do with it as well he doesn't have 59% Approvals, but if D's won on 2022/ they can pass both bills

If they net gain seats
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« Reply #119 on: September 12, 2021, 12:11:51 PM »

Manchin already said as the final arbitor is 1/1.5T and said he isn't the only one in this, which means Tester or Sinema, the Senate hasn't gotten rid of Fillibuster even if they did, they only have 47 votes without Tester, Manchin or Sima, there won't be any 3.5 or 2T without Manchin

Forget the Squad on this, they have zero to do with Senate rules
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« Reply #120 on: September 12, 2021, 12:39:29 PM »

By the way, Manchin said hes not on board with another Stimulus check because there are 11M jobs and 8M unemployment, that's why they don't have the votes for 300 Stimulus checks

Yeah we really got shellshocked when Cunningham and Gideon lost we could of had 52 Seats already
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« Reply #121 on: September 12, 2021, 03:41:56 PM »

D's if they won in 2022 and net gain 52 or more S seats plus the H they can amend this

Manchin said 1.2T should be passed but there shouldn't be a rush to pass the spending 3.5T
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« Reply #122 on: September 12, 2021, 10:21:13 PM »

We have a 33T deficit you know
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« Reply #123 on: September 13, 2021, 10:29:19 AM »

Manchin said he isn't going go above 2T
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« Reply #124 on: September 14, 2021, 09:39:06 AM »

https://news.yahoo.com/manchin-favors-trimming-biden-budget-185214427.html


Manchin wants to trim Biden budget by Half forget the Squad the Senate is the Final say over budget and it's not 2T
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