Joe Biden 2020 campaign megathread v3 (pg 45 - mass-dropout aftermath)

[Progressive Pessimist]

You were sahing the exact same thing about Bernie less than a weeks ago.

It just proves my point. Biden supporters don't care about anyone to their left.

Cool story, bro. Too bad it's not true.

And yet what you're saying contradicts evidence.

You sound like a broken record on this, so I'm curious, what actual evidence is there outside of a few posts on this forum and elsewhere? And question two is what does "caring about anyone to their left" actually mean?

I just point to Biden's record.

And it means that not one Biden supporter cares one jot for progressives. You all are saying i'm an idiot for believing this, but not actually proving me wrong.

I personally am not saying you're an idiot. I just don't know what I can prove wrong because you haven't been very specific about why you are so upset.

You mentioned Biden's record, and I agree that there are problems with it. It's partly why I never really supported him, but I do believe that the Democratic Party has shifted to the left and Biden, as with most "moderate" candidates have noticed that. The average Democrat is probably to Obama's left now, and even if it isn't to the point you might find ideal, as long as the Democratic electorate keeps holding elected officials' feet to the fire, they will comply as best as they can to pursue more progressive policies. How left a potential Biden Presidency will be is going to have a lot to do with the makeup of Congress though.

Oh please. This thread tells me all I need to know that Biden supporters are going to fight tooth and nail to srop the left from gaining any influence.

I'm trying not to lose my patience with you here, I am trying to hear you out and reason with you, but you don't seem open to want to be reasoned with. Again, I am getting nothing out of you when it comes to what you actually want out of Biden and his supporters.

[Progressive Pessimist]

The narrative has shifted from "BERNIE IS THE NOMINEE, GET BEHIND HIM!" to "BIDEN IS SENILE!!".

Yeah, the morning after Super Tuesday I was told the Berners were going to accept defeat and it was time to unify and end the divisiveness.

Now they've all gotten the marching orders:  Push the "Biden is retarded" narrative at every opportunity.

You were sahing the exact same thing about Bernie less than a weeks ago.

It just proves my point. Biden supporters don't care about anyone to their left.

Cool story, bro. Too bad it's not true.

And yet what you're saying contradicts evidence.

You sound like a broken record on this, so I'm curious, what actual evidence is there outside of a few posts on this forum and elsewhere? And question two is what does "caring about anyone to their left" actually mean?

I just point to Biden's record.

And it means that not one Biden supporter cares one jot for progressives. You all are saying i'm an idiot for believing this, but not actually proving me wrong.

I personally am not saying you're an idiot. I just don't know what I can prove wrong because you haven't been very specific about why you are so upset.

You mentioned Biden's record, and I agree that there are problems with it. It's partly why I never really supported him, but I do believe that the Democratic Party has shifted to the left and Biden, as with most "moderate" candidates have noticed that. The average Democrat is probably to Obama's left now, and even if it isn't to the point you might find ideal, as long as the Democratic electorate keeps holding elected officials' feet to the fire, they will comply as best as they can to pursue more progressive policies. How left a potential Biden Presidency will be is going to have a lot to do with the makeup of Congress though.

Oh please. This thread tells me all I need to know that Biden supporters are going to fight tooth and nail to srop the left from gaining any influence.

I'm trying not to lose my patience with you here, I am trying to hear you out and reason with you, but you don't seem open to want to be reasoned with. Again, I am getting nothing out of you when it comes to what you actually want out of Biden and his supporters.

I stopped caring what others thought about me after my third suicide attempt, so I don't really care if you lose your patience with me or not.

I want them to actually try to convince me that there is room for progressives in their party, or if we'll get shunted out for moderate Republicans, which seems to to be happening.

I'm sorry to hear that, I' have depression issues as well. I understand the helpless feelings you may have, just look at my username. And I don't mean to come across as cross with you. I just want more specifics out of you so that I know what can be done by the campaign to potentially gain the support of people with your perspective.

[Progressive Pessimist]

Given that Bernie is the only candidate left who cares about the Palestinian people I will vote for Bernie then sit out the Presidential line in November and just vote Dem downballot.

You're really going to put Trump back in office because Biden doesn't hate Israel enough?

It's 2016 all over again.  Don't ever try to talk about Trump like you care.  You care more about feeling pure and holding the moral high ground than you do about anything Trump does.

Don't play that bullsh**t with me, Biden is not entitled to my vote. I am not voting for a candidate who calls my people crazy and will do nothing to prevent my homeland from becoming a Bantustan go cry a river to someone else.

There is a difference between hating Israel and sticking up for my people's rights try again.

Biden's not entitled to your vote personally, but all the people who will be seriously harmed by a second Trump term are. Think of all the government programs Trump and the Republicans will slash, those who die preventably from our health care system, the worldwide victims of climate change, etc.

Once again, Trump is not losing Florida, he's still immensely popular here the Dems have no ground game, we have a super popular GOP governor and government who will reflect positively on Trump

I want to also try and convince you to vote for Biden, but you got me here.