Biden's campaign strongest since Obama 08?

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What is strong about his campaign? I'm just curious

Obviously his polling is good and his digital ads have been great but what else?

His ad game is on point

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In terms of sheer enthusiasm and momentum, Trump 2016 definitely is in a category of its own. Biden 2020 does appear to have a stronger campaign than either Hillary or Romney at least, but I don’t think it compares to the Trump 2016 movement.

Yeah, I don't see "Ridin' With Biden" or "No Malarkey!" becoming the new MAGA or anything, but his branding is better than "I'm With Her" or whatever the hell Romney's was.

"Yes We Can" -- while not a successful slogan by its candidate -- remains one of my favorites just because it's short, it's sweet, and it lends itself to chants at rallies.  

Hope and Change was another epic Obama 08 slogan. Axelrod and Plouffe were superstars as well.

I've been listening to the audiobook of Gamechange which recounted the campaign of 2008 from Hillary's 2004 almost run to election day 2008. Without Plouffe and Axelrod I think there is a very good chance that Obama loses.

The book says that Obama's campaign wasn't necessarily super well run but HRC and McCain ran some terrible campaigns.

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Too early to say. There really hasn't been a campaign yet. I think when things really heat up in Aug and Sept he is going to collapse. Not collapse, as in Trump wins in a landslide ,collapse as in his slight lead will turn into a comfortable small lead for Trump (5-7 pt swing).  There are already warning signs since he has been fumbing on online zoom podcasts even with all this time to prepare at home. I think once the campaigning starts again he is not goign to be able to handle the criticism.  Hillary is a lot tougher than Biden and I do think Biden is the weakest democratic nominee since Dukakis in '88 (yes weaker than Kerry). I don't think he is going to be able to handle the attacks the RNC and Trump are going to throw at him. It's going to get nasty very soon.

I agree with a previous poster that Trump's campaign has not been as strong as 2016 so far. That is obvious, but it doesn't need to be. That was a masterful campaign. Obama's 2012 campaign while good was nowhere near as good as 2008 and he still won. Trump just has to get over the finish line which I believe he will do.

Huh? Obama's 2012 Campaign was much better then his 2008, they successfully painted Romney as an out of touch plutocrat early and it stuck. What does the RNC/Trump attack Biden on? China, they've already spent millions on ads to attach him to Biden and they haven't been effective, while Biden/Biden allied PACs have been hammering Trump on everything from Healthcare to China very effectively.

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Too early to say. There really hasn't been a campaign yet. I think when things really heat up in Aug and Sept he is going to collapse. Not collapse, as in Trump wins in a landslide ,collapse as in his slight lead will turn into a comfortable small lead for Trump (5-7 pt swing).  There are already warning signs since he has been fumbing on online zoom podcasts even with all this time to prepare at home. I think once the campaigning starts again he is not goign to be able to handle the criticism.  Hillary is a lot tougher than Biden and I do think Biden is the weakest democratic nominee since Dukakis in '88 (yes weaker than Kerry). I don't think he is going to be able to handle the attacks the RNC and Trump are going to throw at him. It's going to get nasty very soon.

I agree with a previous poster that Trump's campaign has not been as strong as 2016 so far. That is obvious, but it doesn't need to be. That was a masterful campaign. Obama's 2012 campaign while good was nowhere near as good as 2008 and he still won. Trump just has to get over the finish line which I believe he will do.

Huh? Obama's 2012 Campaign was much better then his 2008, they successfully painted Romney as an out of touch plutocrat early and it stuck. What does the RNC/Trump attack Biden on? China, they've already spent millions on ads to attach him to Biden and they haven't been effective, while Biden/Biden allied PACs have been hammering Trump on everything from Healthcare to China very effectively.

Dude. People aren't focused on politics yet. Wait till Aug and Sept and wait till the economy starts coming back this summer. By the RNC Trump will have a slight lead. Trust me.

Trumps own Federal Reserve chairman Jerome Powell just said yesterday that he thinks the US economy will not recover until late 2021.....

Full recovery. It can't get worse than now. Business is gradually re-opening.

you are right It cant get worse but CBO is projecting it be a while before things truly get better

this is what CBO is currently projecting for 2020 and 2021



so even if Business gradually re-opening as you say Unemployment will still be over 11 percent by the end of the year

Biden is running a good ad campaign and has the full might of the DNC and Democratic donors behind him, so I don't think we'll see your Trump surge in 2020.

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Too early to say. There really hasn't been a campaign yet. I think when things really heat up in Aug and Sept he is going to collapse. Not collapse, as in Trump wins in a landslide ,collapse as in his slight lead will turn into a comfortable small lead for Trump (5-7 pt swing).  There are already warning signs since he has been fumbing on online zoom podcasts even with all this time to prepare at home. I think once the campaigning starts again he is not goign to be able to handle the criticism.  Hillary is a lot tougher than Biden and I do think Biden is the weakest democratic nominee since Dukakis in '88 (yes weaker than Kerry). I don't think he is going to be able to handle the attacks the RNC and Trump are going to throw at him. It's going to get nasty very soon.

I agree with a previous poster that Trump's campaign has not been as strong as 2016 so far. That is obvious, but it doesn't need to be. That was a masterful campaign. Obama's 2012 campaign while good was nowhere near as good as 2008 and he still won. Trump just has to get over the finish line which I believe he will do.

Huh? Obama's 2012 Campaign was much better then his 2008, they successfully painted Romney as an out of touch plutocrat early and it stuck. What does the RNC/Trump attack Biden on? China, they've already spent millions on ads to attach him to Biden and they haven't been effective, while Biden/Biden allied PACs have been hammering Trump on everything from Healthcare to China very effectively.

Dude. People aren't focused on politics yet. Wait till Aug and Sept and wait till the economy starts coming back this summer. By the RNC Trump will have a slight lead. Trust me.

Trumps own Federal Reserve chairman Jerome Powell just said yesterday that he thinks the US economy will not recover until late 2021.....

Full recovery. It can't get worse than now. Business is gradually re-opening.

you are right It cant get worse but CBO is projecting it be a while before things truly get better

this is what CBO is currently projecting for 2020 and 2021



so even if Business gradually re-opening as you say Unemployment will still be over 11 percent by the end of the year

Biden is running a good ad campaign and has the full might of the DNC and Democratic donors behind him, so I don't think we'll see your Trump surge in 2020.

There's going to be a Trump surge. The question is when.

Just like the Hoover surge in 1932?

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No. Obama's 2012 campaign structurally was the strongest campaign since Bill Clinton at minimum, with a combination of powerful, consistent messaging and mass mobilization. Even his 2008 campaign doesn't compare to the sheer power his re-election campaign brought to the table given real-world circumstances and the overcoming of very strong trends that historically would have led to his defeat; his '08 campaign did in fact have greater mobilization of voters and a better electoral performance, but was fueled mostly by the collapse of the GOP and an abstract "change" narrative.

Biden is - as he has been throughout all of this - riding on his name alone and the fact that he's currently immune from being immersed in many of the unscripted, uncontrollable events that highlight his gaffe-prone nature, his alleged mental health and other negative characteristics. His campaign is still hollow, bare-bones and minimalist in terms of any of the traditional metrics by which campaigns are judged at this point in the cycle. And before anybody wants to yell "corona!", remember that all of these factors were present in his campaign well before this pandemic.

I don't know how you can really say that he is only "immune" to this because of limited exposure due to the pandemic when he won the primary easily (at least post-SC) with these "negative characteristics" still very much on display.

The Democratic primary electorate and the American GE electorate aren't anywhere close to being identical; a majority of the party is now fundamentally conditioned to support whomever's "turn" it's considered to be and/or defer to whomever's name they recognize most (in contrast to the country, which loves "change"). Biden won in spite of his problems (like Clinton), but what allowed him to win the nomination is not indicative of having a strong GE campaign.

He basically won the primary the same way McCain did in 2008, he collapsed in polls (for McCain it was in the summer/fall of 2007) and then he put all his chips in one basket. If McCain lost in New Hampshire, South Carolina, or Florida in 2008 it would have given the nomination a-way more serious fight for Romney, the Huckster, among others. In 2008 McCain wasn't able to pivot to the general election, while we've seen the opposite from Biden so far, in that Biden is raising lots of money, he is running good ads.

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I've been reading through this thread, and I want to make something clear about 2008.

Republicans were TOAST that year. They were pretty toast since 2006 (look at the midterms), but everybody was sick of Bush by 08. Bill Richardson would've been President had he won the Dem nomination. Not saying Obama was not a masterful politician (he was), but there's no circumstance that could've saved McCain that year. None.

There's a reason Obama used "Change" as his campaign motto, because people were sick of the direction of the country under Republican leadership, and wanted something entirely different.

The Dems could have nominated Bill Cosby
Hired Harvey Weinstein to be his campaign manger and made R Kelly his VP
and they still would have won in 2008 lol

I would like to say Cosby/R Kelly in 2008 would not be a super bad ticket, sure R Kelly had those legal issues, but he was acquitted in 2008 of the charges and he didn't even have the Sex Cult yet, and Weinstein running the campaign, heck he'll bring in tons of cash from Hollywood.