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« on: June 01, 2006, 08:43:34 AM »

So this guy creates a research tool designed to kiss Gore's ass and make appear more popular than he really is. This is nothing new. Last I checked, they called this the internet.
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« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2006, 09:23:58 PM »

Bah, this is a load of crap. Here is the real scoop on Gore's viability.

http://www.pollingreport.com/2008.htm#misc
Just scrool through the polls and see how much of a shoo-in Gore is.
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« Reply #2 on: June 03, 2006, 03:20:39 AM »
« Edited: June 03, 2006, 03:26:30 AM by Captain Vlad »

Bah, this is a load of crap. Here is the real scoop on Gore's viability.

http://www.pollingreport.com/2008.htm#misc
Just scrool through the polls and see how much of a shoo-in Gore is.

How did Nixon poll against LBJ in June of 1966? How did he poll against RFK on June 5 of 1968?

It looks to me like Gore could compete against anybody even though he isn't polling well against John McCain, who is definitely not guaranteed the GOP nomination...I mean, Gore is only down about 10 points against Giuliani, so I'm confident he's polling within the margin of error with every Republican other than Giuliani and McCain...Furthermore, let's not forget that Gore was trailing George W. Bush by 18 points in November of 1998...And we all know who went on to win the popular vote in the 2000 Election.

Source: http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1998/10/27/poll/

Only 10 points? Reagan only beat Carter by 9. There is no justification for these poll numbers, the few random polls that showed Gore trailing by 18 points were partisan to the extreme. The accurate polls showed gore gradually slipping into the polls. I am certain that had the election been a week or two later that Gore would have lost the popular vote as well.

The difference between Gore and Nixon is massive. Nixon had the luxury of running against Huber Humphrey in the 60s and didn't face a serious competitor in 68'. The only thing Nixon had going against himw as partisan polling and the large peace movement. Gore on the otherhand faces a massive field of strong candidates for the nomination and an even stronger field of candidates for the presidency. Gore is old news where as Nixon was stayed in the spot light constantly.

Also, Nixon lost to who some would argue is the greatest president in the history of the United States, JFK. Who did Gore lose to? A goofy governor from Texas who couldn't talk to save his ass. To make it worse, Gore was the incumbent 8 year VP of a very popular administration...who was Nixon? Nixon's loss was excusible, Gore's loss was humiliating.

Gore is going nowhere in the polls.
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« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2006, 12:34:20 PM »


Really? I'd love to hear you explain why Gore has, over a nine month period, boosted his support by seven points in a hypothetical matchup against McCain.

That's not Gore going up, That's McCain going down. McCain's popularity is starting to windle away as conservatives take note of his open borders stances and his moderate base takes note of the fact that he isn't really a moderate.

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Again, that has nothing at all to do with Gore. In case you hadn't noticed...everyone is dominating Cheney and Jeb in the polls. The are heavily unpopular figures. I mean come on, Cheney has a lower approval rating than GWB does. Bush on the other hand can be attributed to the factt hat no one wants another Bush in office...at least not for awhile.

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Yes...but look at the deficit by which he trails, and the other people in the list. John Kerry, John Edwards, Joe Biden...with the exception of the lesser known Mark Warner, there isn't an easy to swallow candidate on that list.

 
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The only other candidate really in contention is George Allen, who is likely to concerned about this years senate race to even be thinking of 2008. I mean seriously, do you really think that George Pataki is going to come from out of nowhere and sweep the election away? The only curveball will be if Giuliani decides against running which I doubt he will. All this would do is give McCain a landslide victory.

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Reagan in 68' was nothing more than an experienced California governor, where as Nixon was a 22 year congressman from California - is that really a suprise? Unlike Gore, Nixon ran against a classy and articulate candidate that people really liked. The Eisenhower administration was a popular one, but mainly among army personel and older people. By 1960, it had left a dry taste in the mouth of the youth. JFK was a worthy opponent, GWB was just an inexperienced governor of Texas who happened to have the name Bush...which in reality probably wasn't much help.

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« Reply #4 on: June 03, 2006, 04:07:34 PM »

That's not Gore going up, That's McCain going down. McCain's popularity is starting to windle away
Yes ... and he's pretty much the only credible candidate the Republicans have. Look at how Jeb Bush's doing against Gore... that's also pretty much how a "generic Republican" would be doing.
Jeb Bush hardly qualifies as an "average" Republican. The primary reason he is doing so poorly is due in part to the fact that his last name is Bush. People don't want 4 more years of Bush, and so that's why his numbers are low.

I also wouldn't say that McCain is the only credible Republican. If you go through the GOP primary polls you'll find significant support for Rudy Giuliani (my personal choice). there are plenty of viable candidats for the GOP nomination...I have an itchy feeling it wont be McCain.
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