2020 New York Redistricting

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Expecting much from the NYC courts in 2021 ignores

1. Hackery
2. That for those who aren't hacks, what sort of good government Democratic lawyer/law professor in the New York City area does not view the Republican party as a threat to Democracy and a GOP house as likely to overturn a presidential election? Serious question. One does not need to be a hack to believe that there are higher moral and patriotic principles at stake and that social clique is almost entirely onboard.

It is probably an error to assume any sort of morality, integrity or patriotism would push a NYC D legal guy or gal towards ever doing anything that might advantage a GOP US House majority. Even if it is not conscious, they will grasp at any plausible justification to uphold D gerrymanders, not matter how tenuous. It will be for the "greater good"

And i support them

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22-4 Dem gerry, with a surprisingly competitive district 20.

https://davesredistricting.org/join/869b13a6-88ea-4a00-b801-438573f48912

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The one good thing for Democrats, is that the guy who is drawing the NY maps is the same dude who drew the PA map.

Oh really? Thank god.
Ok, I take back what I said lol

So he'll be drawing what should be the final map ?

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The whole argument for FPTP is that it represents specific communities, not political parties. Now, personally I support PR, but attempting to engineer maps for proportional representation doesn't actually do proportional representation well (over a decade it can actually do worse than fair maps) and mutilates communities. We're all better off the more that districts rep communities well.

Pretty disgusting perspective tbh.

Gerrymandering is always wrong with no exceptions. Democrats should try to actually win in New York rather than rig the game in their favor.

Democrats passing fair maps in states that they control while Republicans pass gerrymandered maps in those that they control leads to a Republican leaning map overall and a repeat of 2012-2016.

And then Democrats won in 2018?

In any case, Democrats should also push for fair maps in Republican states by lawsuits and initiatives. It's not like the alternative is helplessness. Democrats rightly lose all credibility on the issue when they advocate for disgusting gerrymanders rather than highly fair and respectable maps.

Democrats won in 2018 partly because Republican gerrymanders in PA and FL were replaced with fair maps due to being overturned by state courts.  That is now impossible in FL due to DeSantis and Scott appointees now controlling the court.  Dems have no way of getting fair maps in NC or TX due to there being no citizen initiatives allowed and right wing state supreme courts.  Until these states get fair maps, Dems have no choice but to aggressively gerrymander where they can.

Ok, you're just opposed to Democracy then.

If Democrats were as puritanically against being on even terrain and morally righteous as Sol they would be a permanent minority and the GOP would rule with supermajorities until 2200.