Who do you blame more for the shutdown?

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The Republicans, DUH!  Idiots.

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But, but...the tiny blue Michigans... 

I'll be back to my usual blue avatar when this whole thing's over.  Until then, my support is with the sane party.

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As I've said multiple times, Obama deserves some blame because he's bargained with these terrorists before. But, obviously, the Republicans are more to blame. It's their damn shutdown...

Agreed, which is why he really needs to stand firm now.  The longer this goes, the better for the nation, because it will lead to the purge of the crazies.  If the Peter Kings win out now, they'll just get blasted by the Cruzes and we won't learn our lesson.  If this actually harms the economy, the crazies won't be able to do this again, and we'll be better off.  At this point, we need to hit rock bottom.

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Truly a highlight in AF history.

It' happened before.

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Rethuglicans (D)

You've been Facebooking Jamespol too much, I see...

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Senate Democrats and Obama. 70% of Americans oppose Obamacare. 

Where are you getting that statistic from?  And a strong majority of Americans do not approve of defunding Obamacare if it leads to a shutdown.

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Senate Democrats and Obama. 70% of Americans oppose Obamacare. 

Where are you getting that statistic from?  And a strong majority of Americans do not approve of defunding Obamacare if it leads to a shutdown.

I was prepared to make a snide comment that 70% of "real" Americans oppose the Affordable Care Act, but the polling shows that opposition among whites is in the high 50's and opposition among Republicans is well over 80%.  So it can't be the first group, nor can it really be the second group since right now they are unreal rather than real. So yeah, it looks like this was a SWAG on the part of JCL.

Unfortunately, while an overwhelming majority is opposed to using a government shutdown as a tactic, according to the polls, a bare majority of Republicans approve of this.  While I hope I'm wrong, I would not be surprised to see this shutdown last a while, possibly until the debt ceiling replaces it as the immediate concern in a couple weeks.

Where are you seeing that?  The last poll I saw showed a plurality of Republicans (49%) opposed defunding Obamacare if it led to a government shutdown, with 30-something percent favoring it.

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Unfortunately, while an overwhelming majority is opposed to using a government shutdown as a tactic, according to the polls, a bare majority of Republicans approve of this.  While I hope I'm wrong, I would not be surprised to see this shutdown last a while, possibly until the debt ceiling replaces it as the immediate concern in a couple weeks.

Where are you seeing that?  The last poll I saw showed a plurality of Republicans (49%) opposed defunding Obamacare if it led to a government shutdown, with 30-something percent favoring it.

The Quinnpiac poll (Questions 38 and 39) released today has Republicans supporting a shutdown 49-44 and supporting using the debt ceiling 52-39 if it will lead to a defunding of Obamacare.

I hate to nitpick, but 49% is not a majority.