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Tender Branson
Mark Warner 08
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« on: January 09, 2011, 02:48:53 AM »

Hmm, I just read this on the TV morning news when I woke up, because I was at a company dinner all of last evening.

Like others have said, it's a really sad thing that took place there in Arizona and I was really saddened to hear that so many people were dead, including a small child.

Gabby Giffords is one of my favorite Representatives and I hope she can get well again.

As to the killer, I first suspected that he was a fanatic right wing Tea-Party @sshole psychopath and the more I read it seems to be the case, but he could have just been a deluded psycho instead who just hated the government.

If it turns out though that police find on his computer that he read Sarah PAC's targets the situation should be clear and Palin should be prosecuted for helping to conduct a murderous event and thrown in prison. At least if she runs for President now, the Left will have some good arguments to stop this bytch now. And I also hope that centrist or center-left Americans have the courage to stop her, just like Austrians stopped the fanatic Nazi Barbara Rosenkranz in her quest to Presidency last year. Either this, or you'll get another Bush, or even worse ...
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Tender Branson
Mark Warner 08
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 58,199
Austria


Political Matrix
E: -6.06, S: -4.84

« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2011, 03:22:10 AM »

The situation in the US, especially in Arizona after the anti-immigration law was passed, reminds me of the climate in Austria, where the FPÖ uses(d) similar tactics to foment hatred in the minds of unstable people:

Just after the Vienna state elections there was a controversy in Styria where the FPÖ put up a website for shooting down muezzins from mosques with crosshairs. A few days later, a asylum seeker centre in Graz was bombed by unknown people, injuring one.

Here´s a fitting "cartoon" from the Standard newspaper, that is actually depicting Austrian FPÖ leader H.C. Strache as a fomenter of hatred, but also applies for Palin and the Tea-Party retards:



Below it says: "Der Schürer" - "The fomenter (of hatred)"

The words are: "FPÖ-Obmann" in the center ("FPÖ-leader")

Religion, Ausländer ("Foreigners"), Ängste ("Fear"), Intoleranz ("Intolerance"), Primitiv-Populismus ("Primitive-Populism"), Israel.
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Tender Branson
Mark Warner 08
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 58,199
Austria


Political Matrix
E: -6.06, S: -4.84

« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2011, 10:18:56 AM »

What else can you say that a certain segment of the left needs ... deperately needs ... a pretext of this sort to use state force to silence the Tea Party, even when the situtation does not at all serve the purpose.

In the left's defense, who has demanded that the Tea Party be silenced by "state force"? I haven't heard anyone even cone close to that.

The Austrian kid mentioned something about using some law, or something, to silence Palin if her blogs were discovered on the shooter's computer.

The "Austrian Kid" is part of the American Left?

The sentiment was expressed here by a foreigner, but the idea of banning hate speech, which they presume Palin expounds, certainly exists among the American left. **

This could be probably used here:

U.S. Code TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 102 > § 2101 > Riots

Whoever travels in interstate or foreign commerce or uses any facility of interstate or foreign commerce, including, but not limited to, the mail, telegraph, telephone, radio, or television, with intent—

(1) to incite a riot; or
(2) to organize, promote, encourage, participate in, or carry on a riot; or
(3) to commit any act of violence in furtherance of a riot; or
(4) to aid or abet any person in inciting or participating in or carrying on a riot or committing any act of violence in furtherance of a riot;

and who either during the course of any such travel or use or thereafter performs or attempts to perform any other overt act for any purpose specified in subparagraph (A), (B), (C), or (D) of this paragraph— [1]

Shall be fined under this title, or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/usc_sec_18_00002101----000-.html

In Austria it is normal that the Greens file lawsuits all the time regarding "incitement of hatred" when the FPÖ crosses some line ... Wink

It would probably be rejected anyway, but Palin should better watch out in the future what she says and does.
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Tender Branson
Mark Warner 08
Atlas Institution
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Posts: 58,199
Austria


Political Matrix
E: -6.06, S: -4.84

« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2011, 02:04:18 PM »

From 2 months ago:

http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201011080039
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Tender Branson
Mark Warner 08
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 58,199
Austria


Political Matrix
E: -6.06, S: -4.84

« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2011, 02:36:01 PM »


Well, from the reaction of some of the loony leftist posters here, Beck was right.

Actually, Beck seemed to be hoping for something like that, so he could portray himself as a victim, as so many on the right love to do.

Except, who is creating it.  It isn't the right.  It is the leftists here, and not all of them, that are trying to create this.

I'm willing to say that even though the guy was described as "left wing" and posted a video of himself burning a flag, he probably is disturbed, and not typical of the left wing.  Instead we have some of our leftists trying to tie to this to the right wing.

The leftist here fulfilled Beck's prediction, but not with any help from the right.

After reading most of the facts that are out now, the guy can be classified as a "moderate loser". He´s probably neither a Republican nor a Democrat, but a political Independent. It's like asking: Was the President in the movie Independence Day a Democrat or Republican ?" We don't know. The fact that he wanted to join the military to go to Afghanistan, hated the "current" US-Government, referred to women having abortions as terrorists and reading Mein Kampf when his premier victim was Jewish leads to the conclusion that he's a Republican. The fact that his former schoolmates claim he's a liberal, burns an American flag and writes "no religion" on the army application form leads to the conclusion that he's a Democrat. Alltogether, he's a moderate loser. Until he tells us something different during his trial.
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