The real reason Dems hate Bush

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"Of course, giving Bill Clinton credit for the economic growth of the 1990's is kind of like saying Ronald McDonald is the reason your cheeseburger tasted good at lunch."

MarkDel, I'm going to have to remember that one!  

About Bush - leftists hate him for the same reason we right-wingers love him:  He's ideologically solid, without any doubts, and he sees the Left as the enemy, which is the correct and sensible way to view them.  The left is appalled that a whole new generation of conservatives has appeared that doesn't fall for the guilt/altruism con game at all.  On top of this, Bush appears to be of average intelligence - which btw, is plenty to be President.  And he's from a part of the country (the middle 90%) that is despised by the leftist elite.  And that smirk - which says 'I'm winning and you can't do anything about it'.  I love that smirk!  

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Hughento... Bush isn't from Texas.
He's from Connecticut.

I love it whenever the talking heads on CNN and FOX say Kerry'll never play in the heartland because he's this elitist yalie from back east.  Wait, wasn't Mr. Bush born in New Haven, CT with a silver spoon in this mouth?  Didn't he go to high school in some fancy New England prep school?  Didn't he go to Yale and then get a Harvard MBA.  

Now, Jeb...  Born in Midland, graduate of UT, and married to a hispanic.  There's a Bush country republican.  

Oh, both Jeb and George are 16th cousins of John Kerry.  I love the surrealism.  

Jeb comes off as much more Yaley than GW.

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Couldn't agree more Gustaf - Soviet statistics were pure fantasy.

Personally I don't see any difference at all between socialism and 'communism'.  

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Couldn't agree more Gustaf - Soviet statistics were pure fantasy.

Personally I don't see any difference at all between socialism and 'communism'.  

Not at all!  Socialists use violence to 'achieve their goals' - they just do it after the election.  Just try to hold on to your property in a 'socialist' society and you'll find out how quickly they resort to violence to take it from you and throw you in jail.  Not much comfort in knowing your rights have been violated democratically as opposed to by revolution.
Then you should get better glasses. Communism and radical socialism have the same goals, but Communists accept the use of violence to acheive these ends, socialists want to do it democratically. Big difference, imo.

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Couldn't agree more Gustaf - Soviet statistics were pure fantasy.

Personally I don't see any difference at all between socialism and 'communism'.  

Not at all!  Socialists use violence to 'achieve their goals' - they just do it after the election.  Just try to hold on to your property in a 'socialist' society and you'll find out how quickly they resort to violence to take it from you and throw you in jail.  Not much comfort in knowing your rights have been violated democratically as opposed to by revolution.
Then you should get better glasses. Communism and radical socialism have the same goals, but Communists accept the use of violence to acheive these ends, socialists want to do it democratically. Big difference, imo.

OK, I can see how that thinking works from a liberal viewpoint. Still, socialism requires support from the majority of the people communism doesn't. Socialists thus respect the will of the people, Communists don't. And to me the right to life is more sacrosanct than the right to property, even though I'm a strong supporter of both.

To me they're inseparable.

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Couldn't agree more Gustaf - Soviet statistics were pure fantasy.

Personally I don't see any difference at all between socialism and 'communism'.  

Not at all!  Socialists use violence to 'achieve their goals' - they just do it after the election.  Just try to hold on to your property in a 'socialist' society and you'll find out how quickly they resort to violence to take it from you and throw you in jail.  Not much comfort in knowing your rights have been violated democratically as opposed to by revolution.
Then you should get better glasses. Communism and radical socialism have the same goals, but Communists accept the use of violence to acheive these ends, socialists want to do it democratically. Big difference, imo.

OK, I can see how that thinking works from a liberal viewpoint. Still, socialism requires support from the majority of the people communism doesn't. Socialists thus respect the will of the people, Communists don't. And to me the right to life is more sacrosanct than the right to property, even though I'm a strong supporter of both.

To me they're inseparable.

You don't think your right ti live is even slightly more worth than your right to your property?

See how long I live without my property.  A couple of days?

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Couldn't agree more Gustaf - Soviet statistics were pure fantasy.

Personally I don't see any difference at all between socialism and 'communism'.  

Not at all!  Socialists use violence to 'achieve their goals' - they just do it after the election.  Just try to hold on to your property in a 'socialist' society and you'll find out how quickly they resort to violence to take it from you and throw you in jail.  Not much comfort in knowing your rights have been violated democratically as opposed to by revolution.
Then you should get better glasses. Communism and radical socialism have the same goals, but Communists accept the use of violence to acheive these ends, socialists want to do it democratically. Big difference, imo.

OK, I can see how that thinking works from a liberal viewpoint. Still, socialism requires support from the majority of the people communism doesn't. Socialists thus respect the will of the people, Communists don't. And to me the right to life is more sacrosanct than the right to property, even though I'm a strong supporter of both.

To me they're inseparable.

You don't think your right ti live is even slightly more worth than your right to your property?

See how long I live without my property.  A couple of days?

You can lose some of your property, but not all of it. Besides, if we're pre-supposing a socialist utopia, the common good would take care of you...

Ugh.  That is hands down the creepiest idea in politics.  

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Couldn't agree more Gustaf - Soviet statistics were pure fantasy.

Personally I don't see any difference at all between socialism and 'communism'.  

Not at all!  Socialists use violence to 'achieve their goals' - they just do it after the election.  Just try to hold on to your property in a 'socialist' society and you'll find out how quickly they resort to violence to take it from you and throw you in jail.  Not much comfort in knowing your rights have been violated democratically as opposed to by revolution.
Then you should get better glasses. Communism and radical socialism have the same goals, but Communists accept the use of violence to acheive these ends, socialists want to do it democratically. Big difference, imo.

OK, I can see how that thinking works from a liberal viewpoint. Still, socialism requires support from the majority of the people communism doesn't. Socialists thus respect the will of the people, Communists don't. And to me the right to life is more sacrosanct than the right to property, even though I'm a strong supporter of both.

To me they're inseparable.

You don't think your right ti live is even slightly more worth than your right to your property?

See how long I live without my property.  A couple of days?

You can lose some of your property, but not all of it. Besides, if we're pre-supposing a socialist utopia, the common good would take care of you...

Ugh.  That is hands down the creepiest idea in politics.  

A socialist utopia?

Yeah, makes my skin crawl.  I like buying things from disinterested capitalists.. people nosing around in my 'common good' creeps me out.

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don't lecture me on mind control.  I get that lecture every day.  we're contracting for the gov't, doing a little R&D, you should hear the conversations around the coffeemaker.  Leftist propoganda.  And most of these guys are bigger whores than I am, all things considered.  I swear if I had a nickel every time I heard the phrase "dumb as dirt" in conjunction with my President, I'd have enough to retire to some moist warm Caribbean island and live out the rest of my days in splendid hedonism.  

Hey Angus, did you know I live in Thailand, speaking of Tropical Hedonism?  Alas my 7 months are up - heading home in about a week.

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don't lecture me on mind control.  I get that lecture every day.  we're contracting for the gov't, doing a little R&D, you should hear the conversations around the coffeemaker.  Leftist propoganda.  And most of these guys are bigger whores than I am, all things considered.  I swear if I had a nickel every time I heard the phrase "dumb as dirt" in conjunction with my President, I'd have enough to retire to some moist warm Caribbean island and live out the rest of my days in splendid hedonism.  

Hey Angus, did you know I live in Thailand, speaking of Tropical Hedonism?  Alas my 7 months are up - heading home in about a week.

I don't remember if you told me, but what is it that you do in Thailand?

I quite simply enjoy life.  Not working at the moment.

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don't lecture me on mind control.  I get that lecture every day.  we're contracting for the gov't, doing a little R&D, you should hear the conversations around the coffeemaker.  Leftist propoganda.  And most of these guys are bigger whores than I am, all things considered.  I swear if I had a nickel every time I heard the phrase "dumb as dirt" in conjunction with my President, I'd have enough to retire to some moist warm Caribbean island and live out the rest of my days in splendid hedonism.  

Hey Angus, did you know I live in Thailand, speaking of Tropical Hedonism?  Alas my 7 months are up - heading home in about a week.

I don't remember if you told me, but what is it that you do in Thailand?

I quite simply enjoy life.  Not working at the moment.

You can afford not working for large parts of the year then?

Yeah.. but I'd rather not go into it too deeply.  Don't like to post too much personal information.  I shared the Thai location mainly because I find it so informative and such a unique point of view for political issues.  
And its a wonderful country.

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don't lecture me on mind control.  I get that lecture every day.  we're contracting for the gov't, doing a little R&D, you should hear the conversations around the coffeemaker.  Leftist propoganda.  And most of these guys are bigger whores than I am, all things considered.  I swear if I had a nickel every time I heard the phrase "dumb as dirt" in conjunction with my President, I'd have enough to retire to some moist warm Caribbean island and live out the rest of my days in splendid hedonism.  

Hey Angus, did you know I live in Thailand, speaking of Tropical Hedonism?  Alas my 7 months are up - heading home in about a week.

I don't remember if you told me, but what is it that you do in Thailand?

I quite simply enjoy life.  Not working at the moment.

You can afford not working for large parts of the year then?

Yeah.. but I'd rather not go into it too deeply.  Don't like to post too much personal information.  I shared the Thai location mainly because I find it so informative and such a unique point of view for political issues.  
And its a wonderful country.

OK, I can respect that.

But in case you were deciphering that my socio-economic situation fits my political point of view.. I admit that it does

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Missouri has been called a microcosm of the US as a whole.  And like Ohio, Missouri usually picks the winner in presidential elections.

Our microcosmic status has been diluted a lot over the last 10 years or so by one big demographic factor - we have hardly any Hispanics.

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Reagan vs. Bush

http://www.cato.org/pubs/tbb/tbb-0308-16.pdf

Who looks more conservative to you? BTW, thanks for reviving a dead thread just to say something stupid.

I don't think shira was talking about budgetary matters.  I think she was talking about the religious and social intolerance aspects of Bush and Reagan.

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I see no difference between the two on social issues. I guess Reagan was for marijuana legalization prior to becoming president.

People seem to claim that Reagan was less religious and 'didn't really believe' all the intolerant hate he peddled to get elected.  While the consensus is that Bush really believes his religious/intolerant spiel, there are those who claim it is also an act.  Not that this really makes a difference - both have been a terrible threat to those who do not fit the christian model.

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Intolerant hate like...?

Oh, the primary one is the anti-gay agenda.  Also the anti-woman agenda.

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A majority of women voted for Reagan, and only a little less than half voted for Bush.

Yes, they are anti woman women.  I was referring to the abortion interference of course.

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Ah, well theives and murderers actually do something to you.

And the religious of course attempt to do something to you using the power of the State.