If it were up to the states....? (Abortion) (user search)
       |           

Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?
May 24, 2024, 03:32:40 AM
News: Election Simulator 2.0 Released. Senate/Gubernatorial maps, proportional electoral votes, and more - Read more

  Talk Elections
  General Politics
  U.S. General Discussion (Moderators: The Dowager Mod, Chancellor Tanterterg)
  If it were up to the states....? (Abortion) (search mode)
Pages: [1]
Author Topic: If it were up to the states....? (Abortion)  (Read 7512 times)
opebo
Atlas Legend
*****
Posts: 47,009


« on: February 17, 2005, 06:22:43 AM »

I think it would be a banned in a lot more states than on nickshepDems map.  If I could figure out how to post a map I would, but generally it would only be legal on the east and west coasts and in Illinois.  There would be quite an Underground Railroad running into good old IL.
Logged
opebo
Atlas Legend
*****
Posts: 47,009


« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2005, 01:25:26 PM »

If it happened as the map suggests how bad would that be? People who live in the anti-abortion states would be, at most, a one day drive from a state where abortion is legal. Someone in need of an abortion could still get one.

No, because congress has made it illegal to transport people across state lines for purposes of avoiding a state's anti-abortion laws:
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/nation/3035967
Logged
opebo
Atlas Legend
*****
Posts: 47,009


« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2005, 02:02:57 PM »

If it happened as the map suggests how bad would that be? People who live in the anti-abortion states would be, at most, a one day drive from a state where abortion is legal. Someone in need of an abortion could still get one.

No, because congress has made it illegal to transport people across state lines for purposes of avoiding a state's anti-abortion laws:
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/nation/3035967

No, that law was to make it illegal to transport MINORS across state lines to avoid parental notification laws.

Yes, it is awful.  I'm sure restricting travel of adult females will be the next step.
Logged
opebo
Atlas Legend
*****
Posts: 47,009


« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2005, 02:09:19 PM »

Transporting adult females doesn't avoid parental notification laws.

No, such transportation would avoid state laws against abortion.  Just as slaves were transported to free states by the Underground Railroad.
Logged
opebo
Atlas Legend
*****
Posts: 47,009


« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2005, 02:27:18 PM »

The point of that law is to keep minors from dodging parental notification laws, not to keep them for getting abortions with parental approval.

Sure, though that is a travesty.  Once abortion becomes illegal throughout most of the country, similar laws will be enacted to prevent women from escaping.
Logged
opebo
Atlas Legend
*****
Posts: 47,009


« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2005, 04:01:32 PM »

Legal  16
NH, VT, MA, RI, ME, NY, NJ, MD, DE, CA, OR, WA, NV, IL, HI, CT

Legal with restrictions 9
MN, WI, MI, AZ, NM, CO, MT, MO, AK

Illegal 25
WY, UT, ID, SD, ND, NE, KS, OK, TX, MS, AR, LA, AL, TN, KY, IN, IA, GA, NC, SC, FL, PA, OH, WV, VA

Wow, excellent breakdown.  I would disagree about Missouri, which would probably end up in the fully illegal category. 
Logged
opebo
Atlas Legend
*****
Posts: 47,009


« Reply #6 on: February 24, 2005, 05:49:40 PM »

Blue = illegal or restricted
Red  = legal
Logged
opebo
Atlas Legend
*****
Posts: 47,009


« Reply #7 on: April 23, 2005, 05:14:38 AM »

If that map is accurate some new restrictions are needed urgently...

How will you pay for the increased cost to society of forcing women to be baby making machines against their will?

I suppose they never heard of birth control or something really radical, like not having sex (we're not talking rape/incest here).

Not having sex would be a poor option, as sex is generally enjoyable and a vital part of a good life.
Logged
opebo
Atlas Legend
*****
Posts: 47,009


« Reply #8 on: April 23, 2005, 05:16:51 AM »

What the f*** are you on about? This isn't more social darwinist bullsh*t is it?

If (I stress the "if") that map is accurate, a majority of babies in D.C are aborted. How the f*** can you possibily justify that and still remain a human being?

Because the women wanted to abort.  Not my business, nor yours, whether it is 5% or 95%.
Logged
opebo
Atlas Legend
*****
Posts: 47,009


« Reply #9 on: April 23, 2005, 01:06:18 PM »

If that map is accurate some new restrictions are needed urgently...

How will you pay for the increased cost to society of forcing women to be baby making machines against their will?

I suppose they never heard of birth control or something really radical, like not having sex (we're not talking rape/incest here).

Not having sex would be a poor option, as sex is generally enjoyable and a vital part of a good life.

There are alternatives, as I'm sure you are aware.
High abortion rates are an indication of abortion being used as an everyday birth control method, rather than as a last resort.  This means that condom usage is way below where it should be.  That should trouble people no matter where they stand on abortion.

I don't think he meant condom use, I think he meant BJs.
Logged
Pages: [1]  
Jump to:  


Login with username, password and session length

Terms of Service - DMCA Agent and Policy - Privacy Policy and Cookies

Powered by SMF 1.1.21 | SMF © 2015, Simple Machines

Page created in 0.033 seconds with 12 queries.