Did that thread about a woman's atlas get deleted?

[opebo]

I have a feeling that this thread is going to be deleted too...

Anything or anyone who refers to that which has been disappeared will also be disappeared.

But yes, it is so tiresome that any interesting discussion has been disallowed here, and in particular that the moderators seem to think women are some kind of delicate weak flowers who can't partake in a political debate.

[opebo]

I have a feeling that this thread is going to be deleted too...

Anything or anyone who refers to that which has been disappeared will also be disappeared.

But yes, it is so tiresome that any interesting discussion has been disallowed here, and in particular that the moderators seem to think women are some kind of delicate weak flowers who can't partake in a political debate.

They can debate all right -they just don't like creepy PMs from certain posters (you know who you are....) being sent to them. 

Whate're you talking about?  clarence sending fat ladies to the mods?

[opebo]

And really, opebo?  After you are warned not to mislead the forum about actions taking by the moderators, you accuse the mods of deelting a thread when only 7 posts above, the original poster had admitted to deleting it?  I'll give you the benefit of the doubt on this one that you didn't read Simfan's response, but perhaps you should stop making assumptions about moderator actions when you don't have all of the facts.  A lot of the reasons for the mod hate on this forum are because people like you mislead people

I'm not intentionally 'misleading' anyone, Inks, I didn't know about Simfan or clarences actions.   I don't see how I could be expected to know everything.  I would love to have all of the facts about your actions, but I believe we often feel in the dark because of the lack of transparency in the system.  It is only natural that in such a system rumor, conjecture, and fear will generally prevail - and certainly it isn't very fair of you to blame me for that!  

I think this could all be solved if you guys simply made a thread somwhere entitled 'moderator actions', where each of your deletions were mentioned and explained, and opened to public debate.

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Simfan said it in the the thread!  Let's just hear those 6 little words: I am sorry; I was wrong.  I have yet to ever see you acknowledge when you were wrong about an accusation against the mods.

I've never claimed to be infallible, Inks.  Given the power differential between us, any apology I would make would be mere cravenness, done out of fear, and so maybe not of any real value.  But I would appreciate it if we could drop the matter and move on.

[opebo]

As for the apology - just humor me.  I'd love to see if you have it in you to say the words.

No one could say it better than Father Jack.

[opebo]

As for the apology - just humor me.  I'd love to see if you have it in you to say the words.

No one could say it better than Father Jack.

Come on, man... even I admit when I'm wrong.  Post the words... how can you say that the mods are excessive in their actions and unaccountable when you want to be held to a higher standard?  You're acting as if you're a king, opebo.  But you are merely the king of hypocrites if you refuse to apologize and admit your wrong.

But my being wrong doesn't make you accountable, Inks.  What makes you accountable?  Just because y'all may be benevolent doesn't change the fact that this is only a fortuitious whim, given that we have no recourse.

[opebo]

But if you refuse to acknowledge that you're wrong, why should the mods do it?  If the posters don't do it, should the mods also refuse to admit their wrongs?  Should we just bar appeals for all circumstances?  If that's the standard you think you should be held to, I'll honor your wish... but I'm guessing that's not what you actually want.  It's funny that you want the ability to appeal infracted posts, yet you think you're above apologizing.  I've granted more appeals than I've ever seen you apologize.

I'm below apologizing, Inks.

[opebo]

I'm below apologizing, Inks.

Haha... and now you're trying to spin it the other way.  Explain to me how you are below apologizing.

No power.

[opebo]

And if you truly have no power, and you believe that actions should be based on power, does that allow me to start infracting you at 10 points just because I have the "power"?

Yeah, I don't know of anything stopping you from doing that.

[opebo]

And if you truly have no power, and you believe that actions should be based on power, does that allow me to start infracting you at 10 points just because I have the "power"?

Yeah, I don't know of anything stopping you from doing that.

So since you have no power, would you just let it happen?  Or would you protest such a move?

Its a tight-rope.. last time that happened I just didn't post for about six weeks and it seemed to blow over.

[opebo]

What you are is a hypocrite and arrogant. 

So what? 

No matter how much you attack me it won't change the way other posters feel about you or the system you personify.

It is also quite an unfair battle of wits, after all, is it not?  I mean - can I say what I think you are? 

[opebo]

It's not an attack on you.  But as long as you admit that you're a hypocrite in not apologizing, that's close enough to an apology for me.  You've apologized in spirit, so, I accept your apology, and I forgive you.

I never admitted anything.  I've really no idea what you're on about, Inks.

The lack of empathy here is pretty astounding, in a way that proves Walter Benjamin's point about fashion dictating empathy rather than the other way round.

Most men feel they are worse off than women, I think.

[opebo]

I never admitted anything.  I've really no idea what you're on about, Inks.

You admitted it here:

What you are is a hypocrite and arrogant. 

So what? 

That's good enough for me.  Even if you didn't directly do it, I accept your apology.

Well, your interpretation is your own, of course, and I do hope you enjoy it to the fullest.  But the meaning you inferred was not the one I intended to impart. 

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Most men feel they are worse off than women, I think.

Very possible, and absolutely psychotic if true.

Nah, not psychotic - its just point of view.  Most men can't get laid, or at least can't get laid at all easily, so, they feel they have a worse situation than most women, who despite a few catcalls or condescension once in a while, are perceived to 'get what they want'.

[opebo]

Most men feel they are worse off than women, I think.

Very possible, and absolutely psychotic if true.

Nah, not psychotic - its just point of view.  Most men can't get laid, or at least can't get laid at all easily, so, they feel they have a worse situation than most women, who despite a few catcalls or condescension once in a while, are perceived to 'get what they want'.

Define "get laid easily".

Its subjective, obviously, but the point is a huge percentage of males are quite unhappy about this aspect of their lives.

[opebo]

I'm thinking there may a cultural difference between work environments in the US and Europe. All the European posters insist that sexual harassment is omnipresent and intense while most American posters are pointing out that this sort of behavior is completely unacceptable and that companies are aggressive in preventing and punishing it. I don't know anything about European business, but it's the only rational explanation for the disparity in experiences.

Eh, no. See, none of us have experienced this because we're not women. I just posted a bunch of links to research papers from the US talking about this. Did you just ignore that?

The rational explanation for you (who don't know anything about this topic) not being aware of something is that it doesn't exist? Good luck managing life with that attitude.

It definitely doesn't exist here in Thailand in Universities...

[opebo]

Alright, opebo... I'll give you two options...

Christ, Inks, are the other mods aware of this harassment?

[opebo]

I apologize for jumping to the wrong conclusion about moderator behavior.  I remain opposed to the system and intend to criticize when I can (and hope to be given leeway to do so), but I can recognize and acknowledge that I was mistaken.

As an addendum - and not to dilute the apology, but rather to offer some ideas for progress - I think it is the opacity of the system itself which leads some of us to occasionally 'assume the worst' about moderator action - for example blaming moderators when controversial threads disappear, rather than the original poster.