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#1
The economy is slowly improving, and will continue to accelerate
 
#2
The economy is slowly improving, and will continue to improve, but it will require a longer horizon
 
#3
The economy is not improving, but it has stablized -- we have bottomed out, but improvement will come later this year or next year
 
#4
The economy is weakening overall, although some individual indicators may show otherwise
 
#5
The economy is sinking like the Titanic, and all that we have to do now is hope to make it to a life boat on time
 
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opebo
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« on: August 30, 2009, 11:58:08 AM »

Option #1, obviously.
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opebo
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« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2009, 07:45:42 AM »

The danger is that I'm a bit too early and that the jmfcst/opebo's of this world will continue to crow and lead people off on the wrong path for a while longer.  That's the way it goes.  Better safe than sorry.

Who would have ever thought the emboldened conjunction would have been reasonable?  But it is.  However, though jmfcst and I agree on the economy, I know that I am not 'crowing' (can't speak for him).  I'm not particularly pleased about the state of policy, as it has not changed from the extreme right, nor does the economy effect me much directly.  I

I only hold the position I do because it seems the most likely outcome.

I'm just waiting for some people here (and it ain't just you or Democrats in general) to realize that, economically, Bush's policies are Obama's policies and vice versa, just that the benefited elites don't always align.  If we ever reach that point, then maybe we get somewhere.

Um, lots of us left-leaners always say that the Democrats are a center-right party, scarcely any different at all from the Republicans.  Basically the Democrats are the same as the Republicans on economics, at least in all important or substantive ways, and the only distinction between the parties is the very fine one about social issues.
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opebo
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« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2009, 12:17:30 PM »

Whether or not Obama can liberate himself from the "cult of neoliberalism", I don't know - but there won't be any going back to pre-Reagan tax rates; a welfare system that rewarded idleness over work

Well, you just answered your own question then.

The way I see it is this:

Left: WELFARE ('Great Society')..... Center: WORKFARE Smiley ('New Deal')....

Absolutely nonsensical distinction there that doesn't recognize the real problem at all, and is merely a case of kicking people while they're down.  But I understand your kneejerk christian morality.

There you have it. Classical liberalism produced a catastrophe (the seeds of the 'Great Depression', precipitated by the 'Wall Street Crash' were sown while Coolidge snored - and farted) and neoliberalism produced a near catastrophe.

Well done, negative freedom Roll Eyes. It's frustrating to think just how many still subscribe to it

As for the Republican Party, it's rightwing dogmatoid to the point of encapsulating Einstein's definition of insanity. If there were any standards of good governance whatsoever that party would have hit 1932 levels by now

I agree with you, mostly.  How would you feel about a generous dole with out a work requirement and/or a 30 hour work week?
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opebo
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« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2009, 12:19:24 PM »

The danger is that I'm a bit too early and that the jmfcst/opebo's of this world will continue to crow ...

Labeling opebo and me as one and the same is like comparing a drug addict with someone who takes medication only during times of illness.

Um, in this context which of us is the addict?  Because you're far, far more enthusiastic about this 'the economy is on the mend' idea than I.
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