Russia-Ukraine war and related tensions Megathread

[gerritcole]

what is the end game here? i don't think a cold war a la syria is good for either side, is it still taboo to  bring up a negotiated settlement

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Scholz and many Germans carry the war guilt of ww2 heavy on their hearts and souls, they seek to expunge Prussian militarism from their actions

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EVERY POST IN THIS THREAD:

Woodbury: posts tweets that show Ukraine is in a bad state
Jaichind: posts some random economic figures that mean nothing
RedVelvet: mentions how one of the random economic figures means the """GLOBAL SOUTH""" is turning on the West
TimTurner: post tweet about something nice the Russians did or does a 'both sides bad' equivocation

This thread has just turned into a circle jerk between these four clowns who get off on the scene in The Man In The High Castle where they blow up the Statue of Liberty.

would you prefer a one sided pro ukraine narrative? whether you agree with those posters or not they provide an idealogical counterpoint that is quite present in the world but underrepresented in the english speaking internet

[gerritcole]

Also, this is a colossal collapse to Russia by Europe. I’m noninterventionist, but if Canada was being invaded I would take great interest.

Does noninterventionist means whoever has more guns gets to set the law, regardless of treaties or past agreements?

Yes! How are those treaties/laws/agreements enforced? With guns and bullets

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Interesting how dead this thread is since both Hamas-Israel War plus putting (2-3) s**t posters on ignore from this very thread.

I think it’s cause the war has stagnated and people are gradually losing interest, see zhelenskiis visits abroad no longer getting the same coverage

Also Israel Palestine rules up the spirits more among the world than this conflict

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https://twitter.com/KyivPost/status/1755227553244049834

Probably because very few people who are not prisoners forced to are actually Russian. When they run out of their slave populations east of the urals and have to start digging in solely to “Russian” men that number will crater fast. Russia is doing its best to get to that point by spending men like a drunk person in Vegas.

This is part of it, and so is the fact that this is a dictatorship with a controlled information ecosystem, but also, there are genuinely remarkably unsavory attitudes in Russia towards neighboring countries and towards Russia's own past, just as there are, say, remarkably unsavory attitudes in India towards religious minorities and women, or in the United States towards anything that increases the price of gasoline. Sometimes aspects of a country's culture are just bad, and are so deeply ingrained that even direct negative experience doesn't necessarily make people from that country abandon them.

Remarkably bigoted and ignorant post, especially for a mod. Are you seriously comparing issues towards women/religious minorities/wars of conquest towards gas prices? Why don't you use the litany of issues american whites have caused such as slavery/genocide of natives/etc???

Now onto russia, this alleged acceptance of conquest of other nations. Why do you trust this polling? Which nation has accepted the 'western' liberal version of its history? You believe all this because it suits your biases i bet. You've fallen again for the cold war rhetoric.

Onto india, are there systemic issues towards women ranging from infanticide to child marriage etc, yes! But are there not such issues in america? Why does america struggle to push women into STEM fields while russia/india/china do not? When you say religious minorities, do you mean jains or parsis or sikhs or buddhits? No you mean muslims of course, please point to systemic oppression of indian muslims? Where else hundreds of millions of people get a seperate civil code because of relgion, how about pakistan, where are their relgiious minorities.

you truly must expand your world view beyond typical boston brahmin white liberal saviour complex

[gerritcole]

https://twitter.com/KyivPost/status/1755227553244049834

Probably because very few people who are not prisoners forced to are actually Russian. When they run out of their slave populations east of the urals and have to start digging in solely to “Russian” men that number will crater fast. Russia is doing its best to get to that point by spending men like a drunk person in Vegas.

This is part of it, and so is the fact that this is a dictatorship with a controlled information ecosystem, but also, there are genuinely remarkably unsavory attitudes in Russia towards neighboring countries and towards Russia's own past, just as there are, say, remarkably unsavory attitudes in India towards religious minorities and women, or in the United States towards anything that increases the price of gasoline. Sometimes aspects of a country's culture are just bad, and are so deeply ingrained that even direct negative experience doesn't necessarily make people from that country abandon them.

Remarkably bigoted and ignorant post, especially for a mod. Are you seriously comparing issues towards women/religious minorities/wars of conquest towards gas prices? Why don't you use the litany of issues american whites have caused such as slavery/genocide of natives/etc???

Now onto russia, this alleged acceptance of conquest of other nations. Why do you trust this polling? Which nation has accepted the 'western' liberal version of its history? You believe all this because it suits your biases i bet. You've fallen again for the cold war rhetoric.

Onto india, are there systemic issues towards women ranging from infanticide to child marriage etc, yes! But are there not such issues in america? Why does america struggle to push women into STEM fields while russia/india/china do not? When you say religious minorities, do you mean jains or parsis or sikhs or buddhits? No you mean muslims of course, please point to systemic oppression of indian muslims? Where else hundreds of millions of people get a seperate civil code because of relgion, how about pakistan, where are their relgiious minorities.

you truly must expand your world view beyond typical boston brahmin white liberal saviour complex

You’re in a thread on a war of conquest Russia is waging on a neighboring country with little to any domestic backlash and you’re asking for proof of Russians having an imperialist attitude towards it’s neighbors?

im asking for proof that a majority of the russian populace supports the invasion having known all appropriate facts (so not counting those who believe the ukraine is nazi trope or some other bullsh**t), the war was not started by people, it was imposed from above

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https://twitter.com/KyivPost/status/1755227553244049834

Probably because very few people who are not prisoners forced to are actually Russian. When they run out of their slave populations east of the urals and have to start digging in solely to “Russian” men that number will crater fast. Russia is doing its best to get to that point by spending men like a drunk person in Vegas.

This is part of it, and so is the fact that this is a dictatorship with a controlled information ecosystem, but also, there are genuinely remarkably unsavory attitudes in Russia towards neighboring countries and towards Russia's own past, just as there are, say, remarkably unsavory attitudes in India towards religious minorities and women, or in the United States towards anything that increases the price of gasoline. Sometimes aspects of a country's culture are just bad, and are so deeply ingrained that even direct negative experience doesn't necessarily make people from that country abandon them.

Remarkably bigoted and ignorant post, especially for a mod. Are you seriously comparing issues towards women/religious minorities/wars of conquest towards gas prices? Why don't you use the litany of issues american whites have caused such as slavery/genocide of natives/etc???

Now onto russia, this alleged acceptance of conquest of other nations. Why do you trust this polling? Which nation has accepted the 'western' liberal version of its history? You believe all this because it suits your biases i bet. You've fallen again for the cold war rhetoric.

Onto india, are there systemic issues towards women ranging from infanticide to child marriage etc, yes! But are there not such issues in america? Why does america struggle to push women into STEM fields while russia/india/china do not? When you say religious minorities, do you mean jains or parsis or sikhs or buddhits? No you mean muslims of course, please point to systemic oppression of indian muslims? Where else hundreds of millions of people get a seperate civil code because of relgion, how about pakistan, where are their relgiious minorities.

you truly must expand your world view beyond typical boston brahmin white liberal saviour complex

You’re in a thread on a war of conquest Russia is waging on a neighboring country with little to any domestic backlash and you’re asking for proof of Russians having an imperialist attitude towards it’s neighbors?

im asking for proof that a majority of the russian populace supports the invasion having known all appropriate facts (so not counting those who believe the ukraine is nazi trope or some other bullsh**t), the war was not started by people, it was imposed from above

Again “little to no domestic backlash” and so far Putin’s harshest critics (including Navalny) are in the “he’s not waging the war harsh enough” camp

Navalny is one opposition leader, one more popular in the west than in Russia. There have been protests, not large scale yes but Russia is a dictatorship where there are heavy consequences for such actions and so ordinary Russians much like people everywhere put their heads down and go to work

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For secure European defense and security, the Germans must remember their military traditions and rebuild/rearm and perhaps mentally move past ww2 as a block in their way a la Japan in recent years