Biden infrastructure/tax increase megathread

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Pleosi should remove them from committees

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is anyone clear on what gottenheimer and the crew actually won for themselves? seems like nothing but a save face maneuver

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biden need to show leadership - he puts no public pressure on anyone, he's tied much of his political capital/time/effort into these bills but does not use bully pulpit

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I hope we get a dramatic vote on the house floor ala McCain thumb Down

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This is what happens when a significant part of your party base now is well-to-do ex republicans

Pundits were warning about this from the day Biden was sworn in

The dem coalition is a bizarre coalition of rich suburban voters and hardcore urban progressives.

Those 2 groups have opposed each other for most of American history on policy

So have the various groups in the GOP. This isn’t important. At least not anytime soon.

GOP is the party of no, meaning that ppl don’t need to agree why they’re voting no, dems pass policy so you need to actually agree on specifics

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https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/575549-manchin-signals-he-wont-support-filibuster-carve-out-for-debt-hike

Manchin says NO

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Unlike most cases I do think Manchin is bluffing here to get a deal done. He’s been pretty forceful in saying that there can’t be a default. If I understand correctly, it’ll be much easier time-wise to carve out a filibuster exception than to use reconciliation, so he’s waiting to see if they can get to an agreement.

Lol manchin says NO and you think he’s playing 12D UNDERWATER MAHJONG , we will default

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Pelosi is floating a rule change, where the Treasury Secretary is allowed to raise the debt ceiling and congress would have to vote to stop if they still
https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook-pm/2021/10/12/pelosi-floats-a-debt-ceiling-plan-b-494667?nname=playbook-pm&nid=0000015a-dd3e-d536-a37b-dd7fd8af0000&nrid=0000014c-2414-d9dd-a5ec-34bc65180004&nlid=964328&cid=hptb_primary_0

This would be perfect. And it would basically kill the debt ceiling in practice. What Treasury Secreaty would NOT raise the debt limit? What congress would stop him/her

bad idea, i could see a rogue prez and appointed trez sec keeping a congress controlled by the oppo party in hostage situation for policy capitulations to keep economy alive

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No surprise since Manchin is just doing what his donors of the fossil fuel industry are telling him. I'm not the biggest fan of AOC, but she's completely right here.

Unless individual US states and the private sector are doing even more, America is unfortunately on track to lose the "battle" of over becoming the green superpower of the 21st century. I'm actually glad all major parties in government in Germany (or most of Europe) actually agree here. It's just kinda sad investments in climate action and renewable energies are still not consensus in America. I'm aware the fossil fuel industry employs a lot of people, but nobody is calling to close them at once. Making sure there are other jobs available is an obligation of the government in the meantime.

Yup yup Germany is so green that its shutting down nuclear plants and moving towards more Russian gas!

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lol the only thing left is kickbacks to coal companies in the bill

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Dems are pathetic, they get one legislative priority done every 10 years, new fdr my ass

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I’d hope they’d pick vision over hearing, cn 2 > cn 8

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I’d scrap every green energy dollar into dental hearing and vision, that actually helps people

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Apparently biden didn’t directly ask house dems for their votes………..

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This administration is so sad, absolutely no urgency or ability to pivot and push its priorities, it’s almost like it doesn’t realize it only has 1 more year to do anything Of substance, the admin really reflects sleepy joe

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Libs have an unstable coalition, a handout to their high earners won’t help them with lower income voters

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This is the last big dem bill of the decade so everyone get your fill in

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Disgusting people.

https://twitter.com/AndrewSolender/status/1456825500593266689

Video out there somewhere I hope?

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What’s even in bbb anymore? Everything decent seems to be gone

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Don’t call me captain obvious but voting rights is going nowhere quickly just like bbb, that’s a wrap on significant legislation for this Congress folks

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https://www.politico.com/news/2021/12/15/sinema-democrats-filibuster-changes-524809

And that’s a wrap

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https://twitter.com/LPDonovan/status/1472651611910594560

Heavy cope

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I think what the GOP and moderate Democrats have done will ensure that sometime in the near future we will have a very progressive takeover of government and it will be too much and too soon for establishment people but it will be their doing. The GOP refusal to make the ACA work as well as it could have and cripple the program will bring us socialized medicine. When they had the chance to create a private health insurance model with some semblance of functionality they balked.

I'm not sure whether you're just analyzing or you actually fear "socialized medicine", but in any case, Obamacare is simply inadequate to care for the populace in its current form. The case for the public option is growing by the day. And maybe there are other proposals out there worth considering- though I'll never get to Yes on Bernie's Plan.

 I favor socialized medicine. I am analyzing and making the point that if you want the private health insurance market to work you need cost controls and strict government regulation but the "free market" people and healthcare profiteers only care about insane profits, they don't care about providing affordable coverage. The ACA model was basically a conservative plan for decades and conservatives promptly abandoned it when Obama embraced it as the only thing he could reasonably pass.

 We will have socialized medicine because the younger generation think our healthcare system sucks and is unsustainable. People who cry about this only have the GOP and moderate Democrats to blame because they torpedoed much of what could have made the ACA a better program.

It's not just private insurance.

There is a huge profit incentive for hospitals to keep people sick, because they make money off sick people.


Heart Bypass Surgeries for example, are the biggest money makers for hospitals. Imagine, if we focused on preventing disease in the first place.

Doctors are incentivized to test and treat more, even if the evidence doesn't call for it. Drug companies  basically bribe doctors by having free lunches to have the doctors prescribe expensive drugs.

Completely laughable, if you think free lunches get ppl to prescribe drugs, it’s a way to learn about new drugs on the market, doctors don’t make ppl have heart bypasses you dumbass, people eating 56 burgers a day does that, ppl don’t want to prevent disease cause we don’t like exercise

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I think what the GOP and moderate Democrats have done will ensure that sometime in the near future we will have a very progressive takeover of government and it will be too much and too soon for establishment people but it will be their doing. The GOP refusal to make the ACA work as well as it could have and cripple the program will bring us socialized medicine. When they had the chance to create a private health insurance model with some semblance of functionality they balked.

I'm not sure whether you're just analyzing or you actually fear "socialized medicine", but in any case, Obamacare is simply inadequate to care for the populace in its current form. The case for the public option is growing by the day. And maybe there are other proposals out there worth considering- though I'll never get to Yes on Bernie's Plan.

 I favor socialized medicine. I am analyzing and making the point that if you want the private health insurance market to work you need cost controls and strict government regulation but the "free market" people and healthcare profiteers only care about insane profits, they don't care about providing affordable coverage. The ACA model was basically a conservative plan for decades and conservatives promptly abandoned it when Obama embraced it as the only thing he could reasonably pass.

 We will have socialized medicine because the younger generation think our healthcare system sucks and is unsustainable. People who cry about this only have the GOP and moderate Democrats to blame because they torpedoed much of what could have made the ACA a better program.

It's not just private insurance.

There is a huge profit incentive for hospitals to keep people sick, because they make money off sick people.


Heart Bypass Surgeries for example, are the biggest money makers for hospitals. Imagine, if we focused on preventing disease in the first place.

Doctors are incentivized to test and treat more, even if the evidence doesn't call for it. Drug companies  basically bribe doctors by having free lunches to have the doctors prescribe expensive drugs.

Completely laughable, if you think free lunches get ppl to prescribe drugs, it’s a way to learn about new drugs on the market, doctors don’t make ppl have heart bypasses you dumbass, people eating 56 burgers a day does that, ppl don’t want to prevent disease cause we don’t like exercise

Most Medical groups in California have banned Free Lunches by Drug reps, so that Doctors make decisions to prescribe drugs based on cost, quality, and effectivness without influence from drug companies.

And the role of the Doctor is to help promote healthy living. Kaiser for example, they have cut heart attack and stroke moratality rates in their patient population by over 40 percent.
What is the doctor good for ?

Those lunches are godsends for overworked residents who have 20 min to eat something before getting back to helping ungrateful patients like yourself

Yes the doctors job is to help improve patients health, great observation. What does that Kaiser statistic prove? That exercise works? Great! We already knew that

I truly hope you or a loved one is never in an accident or gets cancer or cirrhosis or copd or something and then you can ask what doctors do

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I think what the GOP and moderate Democrats have done will ensure that sometime in the near future we will have a very progressive takeover of government and it will be too much and too soon for establishment people but it will be their doing. The GOP refusal to make the ACA work as well as it could have and cripple the program will bring us socialized medicine. When they had the chance to create a private health insurance model with some semblance of functionality they balked.

I'm not sure whether you're just analyzing or you actually fear "socialized medicine", but in any case, Obamacare is simply inadequate to care for the populace in its current form. The case for the public option is growing by the day. And maybe there are other proposals out there worth considering- though I'll never get to Yes on Bernie's Plan.

 I favor socialized medicine. I am analyzing and making the point that if you want the private health insurance market to work you need cost controls and strict government regulation but the "free market" people and healthcare profiteers only care about insane profits, they don't care about providing affordable coverage. The ACA model was basically a conservative plan for decades and conservatives promptly abandoned it when Obama embraced it as the only thing he could reasonably pass.

 We will have socialized medicine because the younger generation think our healthcare system sucks and is unsustainable. People who cry about this only have the GOP and moderate Democrats to blame because they torpedoed much of what could have made the ACA a better program.

It's not just private insurance.

There is a huge profit incentive for hospitals to keep people sick, because they make money off sick people.


Heart Bypass Surgeries for example, are the biggest money makers for hospitals. Imagine, if we focused on preventing disease in the first place.

Doctors are incentivized to test and treat more, even if the evidence doesn't call for it. Drug companies  basically bribe doctors by having free lunches to have the doctors prescribe expensive drugs.

Coming back to this cause I can’t believe that as we’re in a pandemic, you think doctors want people to be sick? What happened to honor our heroes?? 😂 😂 😂