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Solid4096
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« on: September 10, 2017, 02:13:39 PM »
« edited: September 10, 2017, 02:17:00 PM by Solid4096 »

I wonder what the scope of this statement is on a scale from 0-4:

0: Hillary Clinton will not participate in politics anymore at all.
1: Hillary Clinton will not participate in any more political office oriented jobs anymore (but still publicize her views on what the best primary candidates in some elections).
2: Hillary Clinton will not run for political office ever again (leaving open the possibility that if nominated for something like a cabinet position again, she would not reject the offert).
3: Hillary Clinton will not run for president anymore (leaving open the possibility of still running for office down ballot).
4: This is fake news.

My guess is 1.
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America Needs a 13-6 Progressive SCOTUS
Solid4096
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2017, 08:15:46 PM »

Hopefully. She's been a bad candidate in 2008 and 2016. It's time for new leaders. Democrats have enough good people other than Hillary (and Bernard).

I would argue that she was a good candidate in 2008, it's just that Obama was exceptional. I think Hillary would've crushed McCain by a margin similar to Obama's, had she won the nomination. She was really at her peak in 2008 - it was then that she had the most convincing speeches, came off as the most charismatic, wasn't yet nearly as scandal-ridden as she is now, and still had strong appeal in many working class whites areas (like WV or AR, where she would've well outperformed Obama).

I honestly believe that 2008 was a case where the electorate was ripe for a 1952/56 tier electoral landslide in favor of the Democrats and Obama blew the opportunity, being just about the worst candidate the Democrats could have nominated that year.
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America Needs a 13-6 Progressive SCOTUS
Solid4096
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 8,748


Political Matrix
E: -8.88, S: -8.51

P P P
« Reply #2 on: September 10, 2017, 08:27:38 PM »

Hopefully. She's been a bad candidate in 2008 and 2016. It's time for new leaders. Democrats have enough good people other than Hillary (and Bernard).

I would argue that she was a good candidate in 2008, it's just that Obama was exceptional. I think Hillary would've crushed McCain by a margin similar to Obama's, had she won the nomination. She was really at her peak in 2008 - it was then that she had the most convincing speeches, came off as the most charismatic, wasn't yet nearly as scandal-ridden as she is now, and still had strong appeal in many working class whites areas (like WV or AR, where she would've well outperformed Obama).

I honestly believe that 2008 was a case where the electorate was ripe for a 1952/56 tier electoral landslide in favor of the Democrats and Obama blew the opportunity, being just about the worst candidate the Democrats could have nominated that year.

Was Obama a worse choice than John Edwards in your opinion, or just worse than Clinton?

Depends on how big of a media story John Edwards sex scandal becomes.
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