AOC is the enemy of the Democratic party

[Starry Eyed Jagaloon]

Attacking AOC isn't helpful. The Democrats should be a big tent. There's an AOC wing and there's a Conor Lamb wing. They can both coexist.

That's true but we have to have unified messaging. Internal disagreement should not make it's way to the press--let along happen on Twitter. Disagreement with leadership should be saved for personal conversations. Words that don't help move their agenda forwards and make great fodder for Republican ads like "abolish", "Democratic-socialist", and "defund" should be completely blacklisted. Is it really too much to ask every representative to stick to their talking points?

[Starry Eyed Jagaloon]

Attacking AOC isn't helpful. The Democrats should be a big tent. There's an AOC wing and there's a Conor Lamb wing. They can both coexist.

That's true but we have to have unified messaging. Internal disagreement should not make it's way to the press--let along happen on Twitter. Disagreement with leadership should be saved for personal conversations. Words that don't help move their agenda forwards and make great fodder for Republican ads like "abolish", "Democratic-socialist", and "defund" should be completely blacklisted. Is it really too much to ask every representative to stick to their talking points?

OP has called us the enemy of the Democratic Party.

What happened to the unity you guys wanted? Or is that just when it's convenient?

I can't speak to the OP, but I'm very explicitly endorsing unity. And part of that means sticking to the script leadership gives you--it's a two-way street.

(Also, OP called AOC the enemy of the Democratic party, not you. Let's not make things up.)

[Starry Eyed Jagaloon]

Moderates before the elecrion: Unity! Heal the wounds! Bind the nation! MUH COALITION!!!!

Moderates after the election: AOC AND HER SUPPORTERS MUST BE THROWN INTO THE CAMPS

OP literally called us the enemy of the Democratic Party but whatever.

So much strawmanning here. Nobody wants anybody thrown into camps lmao. Nobody thinks AOC's supporters are the enemy of the Democratic Party--at most, we think they're unhelpful to winning elections. I don't like AOC. I disagree with her supporters. I still want to build coalitions with them and work on things constructively. I'm willing to make some compromises to do that. I'm just asking for the same from you guys.

[Starry Eyed Jagaloon]

Attacking AOC isn't helpful. The Democrats should be a big tent. There's an AOC wing and there's a Conor Lamb wing. They can both coexist.

That's true but we have to have unified messaging. Internal disagreement should not make it's way to the press--let along happen on Twitter. Disagreement with leadership should be saved for personal conversations. Words that don't help move their agenda forwards and make great fodder for Republican ads like "abolish", "Democratic-socialist", and "defund" should be completely blacklisted. Is it really too much to ask every representative to stick to their talking points?

In the heat of elections, yeah sure. But that's over now. You're a good poster, but your argument "internal disagreements should not make it's way to the press" is absolute garbage IMO. AOC and the progressives need to VOTERS to help them grow within the party, and the voters need to see what the disagreements are. If all they have are internal discussions, how is a small minority supposed to ever stand up meaningfully to the establishment? Progressives only have the power to grow and to check / threaten the establishment if the voters are involved.

There's a difference between saying that you support Medicare for All and attacking the DCCC over Twitter while leaking Spanberger's (reasonable) criticisms to the press. That should have never made its way out of the caucus call. Sticking to messaging on key issues of caucus unity, not attacking leadership, and not phrasing policy ideas in ways that make it so easy for the GOP to attack us in swing districts is a reasonable request. By all means keep proposing your ideas, but very often the AOC wing very explicitly attacks the Democratic Party itself and you can't do that and then slink back begging for unity.

[Starry Eyed Jagaloon]

Moderates before the elecrion: Unity! Heal the wounds! Bind the nation! MUH COALITION!!!!

Moderates after the election: AOC AND HER SUPPORTERS MUST BE THROWN INTO THE CAMPS

OP literally called us the enemy of the Democratic Party but whatever.

Who is “us”? OP is clearly talking about AOC. I swear, you guys on the left have such a victim complex, it’s unbelievable.

Oh? Forgive me, then. Usually when moderates attack AOC, they also either explcitly, or implictly (as OP as done) attack anyone who supports her as well.

No one is attacking her supporters lmao. The issue is her and others, poor messaging which is hurting Democrats in swing districts.

Correct me if i'm wrong,  but didn't you guys actually lose swing districts? And didn't we win ours?

Wow, winning Minneapolis and the Bronx? How impressive. Messaging by people like AOC makes it much easier for the GOP to scaremonger and tie incumbents in swing districts to unpopular policies. That’s part of the reason why they lose. “Defund the police” and “Abolish Ice” doesn’t win votes.

Golden, Kirkpatrick, Levin and Porter who co-sponsored Medicare for All were all just re-elected, so . . .

3/4 of them are in Biden districts, (Levin’s district in particular isn’t even competitive) and Golden’s opponent was a joke, and even then he only won by 5 after being up in the polls by double digits.

Always with the excuses.

Just say straight up: Are AOC and those of us who support her your enemy?

No. She's an annoying distraction that makes it harder to beat the enemy. Her supporters are generally fine people.

[Starry Eyed Jagaloon]

AOC has been attacking the Lincoln Project, who last I checked, are Republicans.

Lincoln project literally spent ~70 million this election to try to oust Republicans. They have show nothing but unequivocal support for Biden and congressional Democrats. Additionally they didn't hurt the Democrats by attacking fracking or defending "defund the police". I'd say regardless of their past they did more to help the Democrats this cycle than certain members of congress who criticized Biden and his positions on things like fracking.

Republican vote for Trump 2016: 90%

Republican vote for Trump 2020: 93%

Wow, thanks, Lincoln project, for your incredible change of -3%! Keep it up and you might just get to the 0% dent Kasich made in Trump's Ohio margin.

To be fair, that's probably because a lot of 2016 Republicans deregistered. The real target of the Lincoln Project is to ensure turnout among independents and Democrats who formerly identified with the Republican party.

[Starry Eyed Jagaloon]

It's a shame the Democratic Party doesn't feel the same way Joe Biden does.

Joe Biden is the Democratic Party.

[Starry Eyed Jagaloon]

However, when people like TopShelfGoal and Blairite start calling people like me the enemy of the Democratic Party, we're gonna have problems.

I very explicitly did not call you the enemy of the party and advocated unity and coalition-building with the left while criticizing those on the left unwilling to do the same. Just for the record.