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« on: December 04, 2018, 10:35:15 PM »

The entire point is still to protect small states from the laws of a small number of mega states. The states have some independence of one another and the senate is the chamber of Congress meant to represent their interests. The people’s house is meant to represent the interests of the large states. Our constitution is set up that way purposefully and just because one party or the other has a disadvantage in that chamber for a time doesn’t mean you should abolish it.

But gl pushing that as a policy platform in...senate races. Lol.

Any argument that considers states as meaningful and independent entities is still colossally stupid. We're at a point with mass communication, mass culture, nationalized politics, etc. that there's no reason to consider states as truly independent collections of constituencies rather than some arbitrarily binned groupings of people. Put another way: we're at a point where most states have a large amount of variance within their constituencies, to the point that the differences among states are becoming meaningless so long as you know a person's education level, race, and gender. There isn't much difference in the political leanings or the between Rock Island, Illinois and Davenport Iowa, or between Fairfax County, VA and Prince George's County, MD, between Wendover, Nevada and West Wendover, Utah, etc. But the current representation system we have treats ridiculously them as totally separate political entities. So, any type of system which tries to do some fair weighting of "states" as if they had some sort of meaningful political identity is trying to weight something which isn't well defined enough to be meaningful. Keeping a system of political representation which is based on trying to balance out some weird political variables that don't really exist is horrible and indefensible when it creates massive inequalities in other ways, e.g., giving the 40 million people of California as much political representation in a major body of Congress as a state that's almost 1/80th its size.

I don't really care about the Connecticut Compromise. It's a product of a bygone era with incredibly different political needs and realities, and its mere existence isn't a sufficient argument for why it should continue to be followed. It's telling that all arguments in favor of incredibly biased systems of proportionment are justified by arguments that are ultimately "this is the way it is", or "this is the way it was", without ever giving an argument for why that is right or desirable.
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💥💥 brandon bro (he/him/his)
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Junior Chimp
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« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2018, 09:49:20 PM »

Other brilliant ideas that make as much sense as balancing "small states versus large states"

* Balancing the interests of states on the coasts and the states on the interior
* Balancing the interests of states with more Red Sox fans vs. more Yankees fans
* Balancing the interests of states that start with letters A - M and those that start with N - W
* Balancing the states where the state flower is edible versus those where the state flower is not edible

I don't really care how arbitrary this looks to y'all - if you ever read a history book you'd know the framers of the constitution surely wouldn't have wanted those landlocked, Yankee-fan, M-state stamen-munchers to have disproportionate sway in the crafting of laws!!
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