Obama's "church"

[Flying Dog]

Honestly.....




You know what's really scary? That many Americans will likely fall for this crap. 13% already believe he is a Muslim. The only thing that would be good about a Clinton candidacy is that she would give the rethuglicans a taste of their own medicine. 

[Flying Dog]

Honestly.....

You didn't live up to your promise in that post.

Yeah, like you should judge.

[Flying Dog]

Doesn't anyone get it?

Republicans don't care about the facts as long as they don't suit their interests. They'd much rather base their arguments on Internet smear campaigns and street rumors. 

[Flying Dog]

Jim Jones has nothing on Obama supporters.

I hope your Joking.....right?

Now if Obama's supporters move to South America and kill themselves in a mass-suicide then there just might be a connection. I just hope Peter King is the Congressman that gets murdered in the process.

Just Kidding....as far as I know.

[Flying Dog]

How much of this are we going to take? His pastor, his wife's tactics, his good friend who led the Weather Underground group .. it's getting a bit ridicules. I don't always believe in guilt by association, but there must be a place to draw the line. It's becoming apparent that Obama isn't associated with the nest people in the world. Perhaps the far left isn't bothered by it, but they are fascinated with those who hate America and deem them individuals and free-thinkers.

Ohh, poor baby! Don't worry. I won't let mean old Barack and the scary liberals hurt you. OhH the injustice!

[Flying Dog]

Wow...this is reaching parody level. Republicans are obsessed with Obama.

[Flying Dog]

The Church itself is a main-line Protestant Church.

[Flying Dog]

How about his pastor of 20 years?  Not so main line.

So his pastor says the government initiated the AIDs virus, passed out drugs to destroy the blacks, 9-11 we brought on ourselves, rich whites are running the country etc etc and somehow Oprah's going to that church insulates Obama?  You think working class whites give a sh**t about Oprah?

One more time Obama - why in the hell would you attend this church for 20 years and listen weekly to that nut's ravings?

No big deal to all the Obama worshippers on this forum I understand, but they aren't the ones that will make the difference in November.  What I hear is a lot of Obamiacs telling each other this won't matter.  Keep reassuring yourselves of that.

I'm off to bed.

They found three or four insistences of offensive comments. It's not like they were part of his weekly sermons. Your creating crap up just to attack him.

By the way, Republicans might not want to keep bringing this up....

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeffrey-feldman/the-violent-vision-of-mcc_b_91329.html

[Flying Dog]

1) What would your opinion be if some generic candidate (republican or democrat) was a member of the Westboro Baptist Church but said he didn't agree with some of the comments made by Fred Phelps?

Hell. That happens all of the time. Your candidate praises a guy who actively hates catholics.

2) What would your opinion be if some generic candidate (republican or democrat) was a member of the KKK but said he didn't agree in negative treatment of non-whites?

Ummmm...wha? Comparing this to a member in the KKK shows how disgraceful this attack is.

3) What would your opinion be if some generic candidate (republican or democrat) was a member of PETA but didn't believe that people should become vegetarians?

I'm sure there are people like this.

*sigh*

No cure for KoolAid drinkers, modu.

Standard nutjob reply to a competent post:

*sigh*
No cure for KoolAid drinkers

[Flying Dog]

I'm sorry. I now see the error in my ways. I shall worship at the almighty feet of Obama and honor & respect the new religion of Global Warming which has been cast out in my direction. I'm not worthy, I'm not worthy.

Damn straight.

[Flying Dog]

This thread is the perfect example of how the forum has become nothing more than an anti-Obama echo chamber.

Wow.

It's true. Nearly half of the people active in this section of the forum are constantly grasping at straws to sink Obama.

People such as you, htmldon, Jake, States, Spade, M, AHDuke, Torie, agcatter, Mitty, Phil, Soulty, and others are always present to post incessantly disparaging remarks upon the mere mentioning of Obama's name. It's not just simple opposition, either; when the anti-Obama posters come in, it's more of a barrage than an argument.

roftlmao.  The anti-Obama echo chamber is clearly in your mind.
Perhaps the opposite is in yours.

Personally, I tell you what I see with regards to the campaign's news in the overall scheme of things.  Occasionally, I give my own opinion as to how it makes me feel.  You may have your own view on things, and that's ok.
Of course it is. Everybody's opinion is inherently effected by their own bias, including yours.   

But if you're going to close your mind like this, quite frankly we just head down the FR/DU/Daily Kos, etc. route, and there's no going back.
How is he closing his mind?

My opinion on this whole thing in the larger scheme is still:  This *could* permanently damage (or kill) him, not that it *will* permanently damage him.  Certainly it's hurting him fairly badly, otherwise you wouldn't see the amount of response you've been seeing.  How bad among the Democratic party electorate - I don't know.  How bad among the national electorate - probably worse, but I don't know there either.
I actually believe the amount of attention this has been getting in the forum is disproportinatly larger than the nation as a whole. His poll numbers over Hillary actually rose since yesterday and he isn't seeing any drops in the states (CT, NY, FL) He's actually doing better than Clinton although it could be MOE. That's of course, my own opinion affected by my bias.


The other point I've been making is that I think his response has been piss poor.
  It's tough enough to explain away the church you attended for 20 years and the person behind the remarks, who is his  key "spiritual guide".  But his statements on the matter (the written ones at least) are couched in classic doublespeak and legalese, meaning that the language's purpose is to mean different things to different people.  You want him to denounce all it - I can read that from his comments.  You want him to denounce none of it - I can read that from his comments too.
He's denounced the sin, not the sinner. My respect of him has been raised because he isn't doing the "politically correct" thing of throwing his  friend and mentor under a bus. He's sticking by him which is honorable. His response is how you see it and how much your bias affects it. It was appropriate for me, but again, that's just my bias talking.


As for the pastor's comments, I think I posted on this before, so I need not go there.  But to be frank, I knew some of his comments were out there and I disapproved then (and wondered what the hell Obama was doing at a church like that).  But the scope and variety of his remarks as released and shown now make it worse.  I had no idea there was this much.
Judging a man and to a larger extent the Church as a whole because of a few snippets of videos is just plain ignorant. Go to the Church and see if this tone is happening weekly and then judge the Church.

[Flying Dog]

Kind of clarifies my signature picture even more. Obama appears to be more of a wolf in sheep's clothes then previously though.

Once again...not the pledge. Star-Spangled Banner.

[Flying Dog]

People such as you, htmldon, Jake, States, Spade, M, AHDuke, Torie, agcatter, Mitty, Phil, Soulty, and others are always present to post incessantly disparaging remarks upon the mere mentioning of Obama's name. It's not just simple opposition, either; when the anti-Obama posters come in, it's more of a barrage than an argument.

Don't you dare accuse me of making "disparaing remarks" when someone merely mentions Obama's name. This forum has become Obama's little fan club and it's only right that some of us bring his followers back down to Earth/voice our opposition.

NO! Your McVains "NO YOU CAN'T" terrorists. You must be slain with the sword of optimism!!

And if you losers win then we are gonna mass murder ourselves with poisoned Kool aid with our leader at our side!!!!!!!


Kidding aside, although I do think some people actually believe something of that sort would happen, some Obama supporters do go overboard in their righteousness and the such, but the same occurs with his critics. Both sides are at fault.