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Question: 153 day poll
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MR DARK BRANDON
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« on: March 24, 2024, 01:48:43 AM »

The data is pointing to Trump. You can't just ignore polls you don't like. People bring up 2022 but the national polls were spot on in 2022. If Trump wins popular vote by low single digits he is 100% on track to win the electoral college.

Of course, things could change between now and November. But they usually don't. 2020 polls in late March pointed to Biden+7 national victory, in November they also pointed to Biden+7 national victory. 2012 was pointing to low single digits Obama victory, so did final polls. Polls at this time in 2004 were pointing to Bush+2 victory, so did final polls.

When there is an incumbent big shifts usually don't happen, people have their opinions locked in from the start, with momentum shifts only being very subtle.

Are there any positive signs for Biden at least?

 he’s literally leading in a lot of good quality national polls.
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MR DARK BRANDON
Liam
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 5,453
Canada


Political Matrix
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« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2024, 08:20:02 AM »


At this point?

All but a literal miracle.

I am not convinced Trump will lose if he is convicted, if any of his trials even see the light of the day before the election (doubtful).

I am not even convinced Trump will lose if he LITERALLY shoots someone in broad daylight, on camera, in the middle of Fifth Avenue.

I would have to see lots of sustained polling suggesting the currently extremely bleak forecast has somehow reversed before I even considered getting my hopes up Biden could win. And frankly I just don't think that's possible because, to the same extent Trump seems to be "Teflon Don," Biden seems incapable of getting anyone to like him no matter what he does.

Best economy since the Clinton years by every objective metric? Doesn't matter.

A rousing State of the Union that seems to defy his image as a doddering old man? Doesn't matter.

Fact is people's perceptions of Biden are baked in and seemingly permanent. Damage is done and there is no undoing it anymore. A front porch campaign hasn't worked since 1896, and Biden was only able to get away with it in 2020 kind of because of very unique circumstances. But reality is even if he had the energy, time, and charisma to hold rallies to match Trump's, no one would show up. No one likes him. He's done. He's over. He's a dead fish in the water, completely DOA. We can try to resuscitate him but all attempts will be futile. We can try to reason with his haters until the cows come home; doesn't matter, their minds are made up and have been to some time and no ad, no speech, no rally, no social media post, NOTHING is going to change them. People seem to believe Biden is a demented Alzheimer's patient with as much faith and certainty as ISIS believes they are sanctioned by Allah, and good luck convincing the latter they're wrong no matter what you say.

Literally the only, faint hope the Democrats have is replacing Biden at the convention. It still probably is futile, too little too late and will be seen as desperate and protested fiercely by the usual "reeeeeeeeeee" suspects on the left.

Basically at this point my outlook on this election is the same as this guy's was on global warming:




(Lol this is perfect: "If your house is burning to the ground, the situation's dire. If your house has already burned to the ground, the situation's over.")

It is literally already over, and we will just go through a long, painstaking process of people who have their heads buried deep in the sand in denial being forcibly ripped out of the sand and made to face reality in the coming months.

Best advice I have for anyone is to make peace with the fact that Donald Trump will be president again and respond to that reality as they best see fit. If that means leaving the country, moving to a different state, or just emotionally preparing themselves, it is what it is and you need to be prepared for it because it's going to happen.
I mean there has been some recent movement in polling post SOTU, but it’s gonna be gradual
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