Alabama Megathread 2: Thou Shall Not Touch Teenage Girls

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Santander, the real you is showing.

I'm not sure there is a "real" Santander. he deliberately posts contrarian/inane comments just to screw with people.

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Two private GOP polls from mid-November have Jones leading.

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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/25/us/politics/trump-roy-moore-mcconnell-alabama-senate.html?_r=0&mtrref=t.co

Yeah, this is basically like LA-GOV 2015 or MO-SEN 2012. 

I wouldn't be so sure. Alabama is a lot more conservative than even Louisiana is.

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"Social justice warriors that hate Christians" is just another way of saying you hate equal rights for people who aren't you. Sorry.

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JMC will show Doug's lead widen.

An you base that on?

Hopefully insider info, but more likely just his feelings.

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Independent Lee Busby is in.

Have seen it suggested he’ll take more votes from Jones, but that could be wishful thinking/pessimism.

I doubt he gets more than 1-2% of the vote. He should have no impact on the race.

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God O’Keefe is such a fraudulent hack

That's not news to anyone who isn't a brainwashed moron.

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Probably nothing we don't already know, but:

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/11/27/roy-moore-jones-alabama-senate-261024

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also lmbo GeorgiaModerate. Moore's campaign must be getting desperate if they have resorted to physical assault.

This is a very smart move. being pro-gun control is one of the major issues that keeps Democrats from winning in culturally conservative states like Alabama.

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Candidates like Moore or Gillespie are what happen after you throw all standards of decorum and decency out of politics to elect someone like Trump.

Dont compare Gillespie to Moore or  even Trump. He is a George W Bush Type Republican , not a Trump type one.

No, he ran a Trump-lite campaign while being too weak to openly support Trump.

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What do you think would happen if IceSpear met a cute guy from Alabama on Grindr, like he did in West Virginia?

That actually happened? I thought that thread was a joke.

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It could be a good thing that McConnell isn’t saying he’ll expel Moore anymore. Some Republicans may have been justifying their Moore vote on the basis that he would get removed if he won.

True, but at the same time, maybe McConnell saying he won't expel Moore makes some establishment GOP voters more likely to vote for Moore.

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One of the accusers dug up a graduation card signed by Moore and it was verified by a forensics specialist.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/woman-shares-new-evidence-of-relationship-with-roy-moore-when-she-was-17/2017/12/04/0c3d1cde-d903-11e7-a841-2066faf731ef_story.html?utm_term=.f036030f5b90

Hopefully this is enough to push Jones over the finish line, but I'm not holding my breath.

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In retrospect maybe Doug Jones was not the best candidate for this race, I can't help but think Sue Bell Cobb or Walt Maddox would be doing better. 

Even if the nominee was Pro-life, the GOP base would still hate them for other reasons. Jones is as good a Democratic  candidate as any.

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There are now 9 candidates, an unusually high number for Alabama.

Candidates:
Roy Moore (R)
Doug Jones (D)
Mack McBride (I)
Ron Bishop (L)
Eulas Kirtdoll (I)
Mac Watson (R)
Chanda Mills Crutcher (I)
Lee Busby (R)
Jeff Coggin (I)

Is there a runoff if neither candidate crosses 50%?

No, so hopefully the write-ins take enough support from Moore for Jones to win with ~45% of the vote.

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Anyone has any ideas how a Jones victory county would look like?

I honestly have no clue, but :

Basically like this. Jones needs MASSIVE black turnout in the black belt + big margins out of Jefferson and Montgomery. he also needs to win Madison by about 5% and Mobile by 10%+

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“Men who hurt little girls should go to jail, not the US Senate,”-Doug Jones

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/dec/05/roy-moore-doug-jones-alabama-senate-race

Other gems; “Roy Moore has never, ever served our state with honor," "He was already an embarrassment before nine courageous women chose to share their stories.”
“I have never lived off of donations from a so-called charitable foundation,”
When you see me with a gun, I’ll be climbing in and out of a deer blind,” “not prancing around on a stage in a cowboy suit.”

Officially my favorite Democrat.

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I'm glad Jones is at least putting up a fight and not rolling over with the usual moderate heroism.

Running as a "moderate hero" would be better in a state like Alabama, but otherwise I agree with you.

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Doug Jonnes is just a normal polling error away from a win.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/doug-jones-is-just-a-normal-polling-error-away-from-a-win-in-alabama/

Roy Moore is a polling error away from a double digit win

I would be more surprised by Moore winning by double digits than I would be by Jones winning narrowly.

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Doug Jonnes is just a normal polling error away from a win.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/doug-jones-is-just-a-normal-polling-error-away-from-a-win-in-alabama/

Roy Moore is a polling error away from a double digit win

I would be more surprised by Moore winning by double digits than I would be by Jones winning narrowly.

I wouldn't be.

I'm shocked.

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https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trump-is-just-a-normal-polling-error-behind-clinton/

How is this relevant?

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https://twitter.com/christinawilkie/status/938895049416413184

Holy ****, this guy is going to be a US Senator.

Jesus... can't say I expected any better from Moore though, at this point I'm slightly impressed that he hasn't used the N-word at a rally yet.

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WHAT THE FYCK IS WRONG WITH THESE PEOPLE!!!

http://beta.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-alabama-senate-runoff-20170921-story.html

In response to a question from one of the only African Americans in the audience — who asked when Moore thought America was last "great" -- Moore acknowledged the nation's history of racial divisions, but said: "I think it was great at the time when families were united — even though we had slavery — they cared for one another…. Our families were strong, our country had a direction."

Roy Moore's real problem is he probably has a very small penis....hence the need to be overtly masculine and seem tough at all times

That would explain why he likes girls who are presumably virgins.

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Doug Jones is apparently in a controversy over a flyer his campaign sent out with a picture of a Black man and a question above it asking if the reader thought a Black man accused of being with underage girls would be elected? I wasn't feeling good about his chances before but with social media and Black news sources like The Root covering this unfavorably just days before the election, I'm especially not feeling good about it now.

That raises a very serious and thoughtful point, though. If Moore was black, I don't think he'd be doing anywhere near as well as he is now, even as a black Republican.

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Doug Jones is apparently in a controversy over a flyer his campaign sent out with a picture of a Black man and a question above it asking if the reader thought a Black man accused of being with underage girls would be elected? I wasn't feeling good about his chances before but with social media and Black news sources like The Root covering this unfavorably just days before the election, I'm especially not feeling good about it now.

That raises a very serious and thoughtful point, though. If Moore was black, I don't think he'd be doing anywhere near as well as he is now, even as a black Republican.

That doesn't matter though. I can see why that would piss off black potential Jones voters.

Agreed, but it helps to show the hypocrisy of Republicans in Alabama who are still standing behind Moore.

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Jesus, this guy is a suspected pedophile, hardcore theocrat, and now a Putin apologist... could he be any worse?

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As a neutral Austrian observer of this race, what "scandals" or opposing points are known and can be brought forward against the Democrat Doug Jones - other than his position in favour of abortion ?

Please explain in a non-biased fashion (I only know Moore's history, scandals and quotes, but almost nothing about Jones ...)

Thx.

Jones really has no scandals or anything. you can tell because Moore is almost totally attacking him for his policy positions and trying to paint him as muh left wing extremist rather than attacking his character or integrity.