Warren will be 75 in 2024 and is not a MA native. She should have retired to make room for Joe Kennedy.
If that's the case, shes making the best choice IMO
the Kennedys in Massachusetts are an institution.
Right also the fact that he, as a Kennedy, managed to lose by like 11 points in a Massachusetts Dem primary shows that maybe that family isn't an institution anymore.
Had it been an open seat, we'd be talking a totally different ballgame
Fact. JK3 would’ve had at minimum 70-75%
I disagree with both. But between a rich nepotism baby whose grandfather was a Nazi sympathizer and Warren the choice is clear.
GREAT Grandfather. And talk about cherry picking. And he wasn’t a sympathizer he just (wrongly) wanted appeasement to avoid losing American lives in a war. And highlighting the sins of Joe Sr and not the sacrafises of Joe Jr, JFK and RFK - amongst others is manipulatively selective.
Are you a hunchbacked feudal serf hoping your liege lord will ride up on a horse and throw you some paltry coinage in a sack in exchange for your loyal services?
I disagree with both. But between a rich nepotism baby whose grandfather was a Nazi sympathizer and Warren the choice is clear.
Right also the fact that he, as a Kennedy, managed to lose by like 11 points in a Massachusetts Dem primary shows that maybe that family isn't an institution anymore.
Tell me you’re not from Massachusetts without telling me you’re not from Massachusetts.
One fluke primary doesn’t totally erase the Kennedy’s status in Massachusetts. Is it what it once was? No of course not. But they are most certainly still held in very high regard. In a general election enviorment I think even 40-50% of Republicans would vote a Kennedy in this state
In retrospect - I think the tragic passing of JFK Jr is what has allowed the Kennedy dynasty to *somewhat* fade in the consciousness of New Englanders. Had he survived he’s at minimum a Governor (NY) or Senator (NY?) - potentially a President - and making national news headlines at least a dozen times a year.
Back to JK3 and Massachusetts Senate seats: the reality is the 2020 Senate race was flukey. A perfect storm. Markey astutely attatched himself to the far left movement that gained steam via Bernie and then more so following Trumps election.
It was a moment in time where the base of both parties (more so Dems) fostered deep animosity toward those perceived to be insiders or “well connected”
Turnout was another factor - election day was held PRE-Labor day - in the middle of the summer - during a pandemic - with the brunt of the political energy in the state focused on Biden defeating Trump. Thus the highly motivated latte liberal types and the energized young (and misinformed) “defund the police” types were FAR more likely to turnout then the hard working, middle class, blue collar union types that supported Kennedy.
If we’re being honest - a loss was unquestionably a disaster for JK3 - and Markey did run a brilliant campaign - once again effectively playing the role of political chameleon - at the same time a Kennedy was the only one who could have even mounted a legitimate challenge to a Massachusetts incumbent in such a scenario - And as I said above if JK3 was the incumbent Markey wouldn’t have received 15% of the vote.
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I voted Scott Brown in ‘12 and Warren in ‘18. She has exceeded my expectations in a big way. She has been a great senator - drastically better than our useless other Senator. Thus there is almost no scenario I wouldn’t back Warren in ‘24.
(MAYBE If Baker ran AND it’s crystal clear Dems will have 52 seats then **POSSIBLY**)I do wish she would step aside and allow Kennedy to take the seat. Although my REAL best case scenario would be Warren stay in the Senate and Kennedy replace Markey in ‘26.
