Biden VP news megathread (pg 286 - been selected, announcement could be today)

[Bidenworth2020]

Harris had the most CBC endorsements. They will definitely put pressure on Joe to make Kamala his VP.

Abrams is running for Governor again. No other younger woman will get as much attention as Harris.

Tammy Duckworth, Tammy Baldwin, Sally Yates (not young but still)?

[Bidenworth2020]

The Veepstakes isnt like it once was, most candidates,  ran for Prez and failed and show no interest in being Veep. Harris brings no electability to the ticket, she is from Cali and hasnt served longer than 2 yrs to bring anything like foreign policy to the table. She would bring experience to a cabinet position, but Biden or Bernie would be best to pick Yates, whom is from GA

Read the room. Harris’s exit has had major impact on this race. Biden needs to choose her. There is no one that balances the ticket AND brings major press, attention, and a fervent fan base to Biden like Harris.

And stop name dropping Yates. She has no interest in electoral politics and has said this a million times.

She would win no voters for Biden that Duckworth or Yates would not. She has no real appeal Nationwide, and any she did have has been ruined by this run for president.

[Bidenworth2020]

Warren is out. Not that a 70 year old woman who would have a GOP replacement would be particularly appealing in the first place. We also forget that she constantly butted heads with the Obama administration. It’s not going to be her.

I think the 6 are all Senators/Governors: Amy/Kamala/Duckworth/Baldwin/CCM/Lujan Grisham

no Whitmer?

[Bidenworth2020]

Warren is out. Not that a 70 year old woman who would have a GOP replacement would be particularly appealing in the first place. We also forget that she constantly butted heads with the Obama administration. It’s not going to be her.

I think the 6 are all Senators/Governors: Amy/Kamala/Duckworth/Baldwin/CCM/Lujan Grisham

no Whitmer?

I don’t think she wants it.

https://twitter.com/chrislongview/status/1239559194849751040?s=20

Ah, ok then. A potential dark horse pick for Biden could be Mayor Lance Bottoms, who has been at the forefront of confronting the virus and would give the ticket credibility on that front.

[Bidenworth2020]

Warren is out. Not that a 70 year old woman who would have a GOP replacement would be particularly appealing in the first place. We also forget that she constantly butted heads with the Obama administration. It’s not going to be her.

I think the 6 are all Senators/Governors: Amy/Kamala/Duckworth/Baldwin/CCM/Lujan Grisham

no Whitmer?

I don’t think she wants it.

https://twitter.com/chrislongview/status/1239559194849751040?s=20

Ah, ok then. A potential dark horse pick for Biden could be Mayor Lance Bottoms, who has been at the forefront of confronting the virus and would give the ticket credibility on that front.

The surname alone is a big downside.

Biden/Lance Bottoms is fine?

[Bidenworth2020]

LMAO Stacey you gotta chill girl.

[Bidenworth2020]

Why has no one mentioned Barbara Mikulski?

You won't find a bigger Mikulski stan than me on this side of the Mississippi, but she is almost his age and has shown little interest in re-entering electoral politics.

[Bidenworth2020]

Biden will regret locking himself in to picking a Female running mate.  His decision precludes Sherrod Brown and Cory Booker, both of whom could have helped him significantly.  As could have candidates with real substance such as Jay Inslee and Michael Bennet.

Now he's locked in.

I disagree on that! The reason Biden even won this Nomination are African-Americans and Minorities in General. I'd say he will pick a Woman of Colour either AA or Hispanic.
That's why the stock of Kamala Harris is still sky high if he wants an AA. He also could pick Catherine Cortez-Masto or Michelle Lujan-Grisham.

Warren & Klobuchar are OUT.

They may well be out.

Warren SHOULD be out.

Klobuchar has turned out to be a weaker candidate than I thought she'd be.

Why would you suggest Booker as a good choice, then?

[Bidenworth2020]

Stac[e]y Abrams, a rising Democratic star who lost the Georgia governor’s race in 2018, has also come up in conversations, the sources say, though not as much as some of the others.

Very unfair!

Adam, why do you think Abrams would be the best choice? While she would undoubtedly bring some desperately needed enthusiasm to the campaign, IDK if people will trust her experience enough to be VP considering Biden is pushing 80.

[Bidenworth2020]

I’ll settle for Kamala Harris but I think that Whitmer would be great. From an important state. Female. Executive experience. I think she would be amazing. I also think Sinema would be good but no one is going to take that seriously so forget I even said that.

Whitmer or Harris are the only two that I think would help and not hurt the ticket.

Abrams is the worst choice of all. Demmings not much better. Duckworth is awful. Warren is 70 and would take away a senate seat for about 10 months. Baldwin (senate seat).

So yeah, Harris or Whitmer

What's wrong with Duckworth?

[Bidenworth2020]

https://twitter.com/TammyforIL/status/1248003304950501378

[Bidenworth2020]

https://twitter.com/TammyforIL/status/1248003304950501378

Really Tammy...you had to choose that picture? We, Democrats, never do ourselves any favors.

I mean she's in a wheelchair, though admittedly it's pretty funny.

[Bidenworth2020]

Klobouchar is a much better candidate and person than Harris. But we know Joe will go with Harris bc Dem ID politics demands it.

FOH.

Kamala and her both had the same career path besides Kamala running the largest DOJ in the country besides the US DOJ. While Amy was locking innocent black teens up for murders they didn’t commit, Kamala was redirecting low level non-violent offenders away from prison sentences, driving down marijuana convictions every year she was AG, getting billions from big banks, and prosecuting people who victimized women and children.

Ignoring her impeccable resume and declaring her potential pick as identity politics is racist as hell. She is more than qualified.

Looks like Harris will be the pick regardless, but I still think Duckworth is the way to go. What does Harris have that she doesn't?

[Bidenworth2020]

So... I've been thinking about who I would realistically like to see as Biden's VP, and I'm kind of leaning towards Ayanna Pressley. Is there any major downside I'm not seeing to picking her? I feel like I haven't seen her name mentioned often, despite being fairly well-known among the Democratic Party faithful.

I like her personally, but I feel like Biden's age is a bigger issue than some might like to admit (not that he has any real issues right now but 78 is OLD and anything can happen at that age), and Pressley just doesn't have the necessary experience.

[Bidenworth2020]

Why isn't Duckworth the main contender? I literally can't think of any flaws she would have as a running mate (unless vetting comes up with something).

[Bidenworth2020]

In addition to the points RFKfan made, Harris and Biden actually really like each other. That seems like something Biden might really care about. Nick aside, her or Harris would both be solid picks.

[Bidenworth2020]

If Biden is gonna go with a black woman, I like Terri Sewell. I'm surprised she hasn't been mentioned much.

She's only 55. She has been representing Selma in Congress for 9 years and is the vice-chair of the Ways and Means Committee in the House. I think she's a dark horse. She's well-connected. Michelle was her "Big Sister" at Princeton. She was friends with Susan Rice at Oxford and went to Harvard Law with Barack. (what are the odds?)

Kamala seems to have Hillary-Esque negativity surrounding her. I've seen a lot of people call her fake. Also, black folks have been pretty critical of her record as a prosecutor and Attorney General.

Abrams just isn't qualified yet.

Welcome to the forum!

Interesting opinion. I personally think Demings is the way to go if we are using that Logic.

[Bidenworth2020]

Warren just said on Maddow that she would accept the VP spot if offered.

[Bidenworth2020]

By the numbers: Black voters in Michigan and Wisconsin picked Abrams as their favorite hypothetical running mate for Biden, at 36% and 38%, respectively.

Harris underperformed with black voters in Michigan (22%) relative to her overall support in these two states, and she did 10 percentage points better with black voters in Wisconsin.

Abrams’ performance without being a sitting senator or having just run for president, shows potential to build a broad coalition and turn out voters.

Wow! I can't believe nobody on Atlas ever vocalized this before!

Let's all jump on the Harris Train!

Hopefully this puts the "Harris will increase black turnout" argument to rest.

Yeah. I think the argument for Harris lies more in the fact that Biden and she have a strong rapport. I don't know if Abrams and Biden can develop that same sort of relationship based on some of the things she has said about him.

[Bidenworth2020]

This guy is BSing. They literally haven't formed the committee for vetting yet.

[Bidenworth2020]

My sources on Bidencord tell me these are the 4 being considered--

1.Harris
2.Warren
3. Klob
4. Lance Bottoms

[Bidenworth2020]

My sources on Bidencord tell me these are the 4 being considered--

1.Harris
2.Warren
3. Klob
4. Lance Bottoms

Huh. I've heard Harris/Warren/Klob/CCM but that makes sense, I guess.

Lance Bottoms is being considered but more likely she will have a cabinet post in the Biden administration. The first three are being considered more seriously.

[Bidenworth2020]

I think the VP being “too old” is a weak attack. Does anyone really want Biden handpicking the next leader of the party? A Biden-Warren ticket could get us out of the mess of the last 4 years and set us on a path forward, then hand the baton off to whatever younger Democrat wins the *competitive and open* primaries next cycle.

Vice-President Harris/Klobuchar/Cortez-Masto immediately become the front runners for nominee in 2024. We were robbed a wide-open race this year by Biden and Bernie, they should let us have one next time so we can actually have an election that decides where we want to go as a party.

I disagree, Biden is a white man and people project what they want (positively) on him. He has working class credentials with low income, non college whites, inoffensive to white suburban women, and close ties to the Black community with his long relationships with CBC members and standing by President Obama.

Someone could easily get into the 2024 primary and run up the Black and youth vote vs Klobuchar, or run up the rural/WWC vote against Harris. Neither would be guaranteed the nomination IMO

It's unlikely that the same candidate would get the youth vote and the 30+ Black vote. AA keep supporting establishment candidates and most young voters back anti-establishment candidates. The Dems don't have that much rural and WWC support left, and it'll only decline further. The big groups in the next primary will be Hispanics/Asians/non-AA blacks; PMC suburbanites (mainly white, but not exclusively); and AAs. If Harris can keep the two last ones she will be unbeatable unless the PMC starts drifting back to the GOP. Non-AA PoC and young whites and (to a lesser degree) AAs will form the core of the progressive coalition, but still won't be a majority. If a progressive candidate can add enough low income whites to that coalition he/she may win, but that's going to be very hard.

I mean...there is a candidate that could get both the AA vote and the youth vote, but she is the ultimate dark horse. Pressely is a freshman and lacks legislative credentials, but she does have some leadership experience from Boston. She doesn't come from a swing state, but she has key ties to both groups. However, she is the ultimate dark horse and her selection would be more in line with Romney's choice of Ryan. Biden would need to have full trust of Warren and Kerry, probably requiring Kerry to be on the vetting committee, in order to push her forwards.

I don’t want any candidate to have a leg-up next time around. The blacks are gonna fall in line behind whoever the VP is because they vote establishment. Doubly so if Harris is the pick. I, and I think most people, would just prefer a primary with no obvious front runner.

Yeah, this is a big concern (broadly speaking). The Democratic Party over the past several years has really become the party that "falls in line" rather than the one that "falls in love" (and of course, the GOP has flipped from "line" to "love" as well). Black voters have always fell in line, but given their relatively small share of the party, that was at least something that could be feasibly usurped (though the last time that happened was 1988). They aren't the problem in the present day. The major change is all of these other groups (i.e. the white wealthy educated types who think of themselves as so well-informed) who create an unassailable coalition.

If Biden picks somebody like Harris, then potentially the next 12-16 years of the Democratic Party's presidential candidates are set in stone. Might as well just abolish primaries and give the power back to the county, state and/or national committee members like in the "good ol' days" at the rate we're heading. It's obvious campaign spending and infrastructure are increasingly meaningless: why go through this big charade if this is the path of the future? For an illusion of choice?

Why would you support Abrams then?

[Bidenworth2020]

With Kim Jong-un either dead or on death's door, Biden's VP is going to need EXPERIENCE.  His VP list just got shorter.

What does this have to do with anything lol

[Bidenworth2020]

Lance Bottoms was on MSNBC an hour ago, gave a non-denial and said that Biden needs to pick "the right person to help him beat Trump" and that "she would have to hear his reasons for why she would be the best choice in that regard" to be picked.