Joe Biden 2020 campaign megathread v2

[Rookie Yinzer]

Biden.

Warren will not win a national election no matter how much the hard left hype her.

Biden, without a doubt. I like him, but I am a little uneasy about a 2020 run for some reason. I think I am still a little spurned by the stunning HRC defeat. A lot of his old stuff will be brought up for scrutiny by the younger voters and the hard left. It won't be HRC bad but it will be draining.

Just out of curiosity, what so heavily changed your perception over the last 2 years, considering you seemed to have been, at the very least, a soft Biden fan at the time?

Still waiting on that answer...

I missed your post because I entered the thread at the next page. Anyway- I was ignorant both in who I thought he was, what I thought Warren was capable of, and I’m really cringing at my use of the term “hard left”. I was a mildly informed voter with a myopic view of ideology fed to me by the mainstream media. Also working on the Stacey Abrams played a huge role in my feelings on how you win elections and what meaningful coalition building looks like. You will also find ignorant posts of me saying Stacey Abrams wasn’t viable in GA because she was a single black woman before I became a staunch advocate of hers. *shrugs* I regret nothing and I’m glad I know better now.

[Rookie Yinzer]

VIDEO: Rep. John Lewis with a powerful defense of @JoeBiden: "I don't think the remarks are offensive. During the height of the civil rights movement we worked with people and got to know people that were members of the klan...We never gave up on our fellow human being..."

Worst case scenario for anti-Biden people is this flap turns into another example of woke white liberals projecting their own feelings onto African Americans and it strengthen's Biden support with them.

Best case scenario for them is that this turns into a generational split among African Americans.

One: John Lewis is missing the point, but this is politics,  so whatever. If Sanders had said this he would have publicly rebuked him.

Two: It's definitely the latter. We were talking about it yesterday at our Democratic Party meeting, me and this 30 year old black woman were looked at like we had five foreheads when we defended Cory Booker. The older black women we were talking to thought Booker was being "nasty" and "helping Trump" Biden is being propped up by old people, who are more reliable in primaries, so I can't be surprised that Biden will ignore it and that it won't affect him. Smh.

https://twitter.com/traceyecorder/status/1142128652920000512

[Rookie Yinzer]

Whew! A CBC member not towing the line for political expediency.

https://twitter.com/politico/status/1142158251250847744

[Rookie Yinzer]

To be fair, his debate performance wasn't too bad. Better than I expected, though not great either. I don't understand why he didn't prepare better for the segregation senators remarks. It must have been obvious for him to be confronted with this.

He’s entitled and doesn’t think he needs to prepare. It’s already leaking from his campaign. Biden is impotent and won’t be able to close the deal.

[Rookie Yinzer]

https://mobile.twitter.com/samstein/status/1144676029883133952?ref_src=twsrc%5Et...


As usual SJW are out of touch with actual voters

I don’t believe this at all.

[Rookie Yinzer]

It is becoming more and more evident that Hillary was a much stronger candidate than he would be.

No, because Joe Biden is actually authentic in the eyes of a lot of people. Hillary always had the stigma of being an out-of-touch, power greedy lady who would do everything to get elected. Joe Biden is more seen as the nice uncle from next door. He is not Hillary 2.0.

The man who had to drop out for plagiarizing a speech one time and dropped after getting 1 percent in Iowa the other is stronger than the woman who won the most primary votes both times she ran? K.

[Rookie Yinzer]

https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1145157531326668800

He looks like a president

We don't need another centrist sellout who looks the part.

Uncle Joe isn't a sellout. He's a pargamtist who can get stuff done. A staunch leftist won't pass meaningful reforms through congress. He or she would only be signing executive orders that will be blocked by courts and/or revoked by the next president. Also, the Democrats won the House in 2018 by winning over moderate suburbanites, which are important in 2020 as well. Bernie won't do as well here than Biden or Harris.

When he “gets stuff done” it’s usually to the detriment of core Democratic constituencies. No thanks.

[Rookie Yinzer]

https://mobile.twitter.com/GrabienMedia/status/1147103888392249344

But... it did. And it largely went unnoticed because they were scared of Mitch McConnell accusing them of rigging it for Hillary. Biden wouldn’t have done anything different. Looking at his record he would have done worse than what actually happened.

[Rookie Yinzer]

Biden regrets remarks about working with segragationist lawmakers. Whether it will have any effect on the polls and the race in general remains to be seen.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/06/politics/joe-biden-defends-record-obama-2020/index.html

The only way to get him to own up to anything is for his poll numbers to drop. I don't believe a word out of his mouth and I'm tired of him using Obama to shield his trash record. Obama making a political calculation to choose him to be VP does not make him qualified.

Team Obama chose him because they thought Biden would be too old to run in 2016.

The choice by Mr. Obama in some ways mirrors the choice by Mr. Bush of Dick Cheney as his running mate in 2000; at his age, it appears unlikely that Mr. Biden would be in a position to run for president should Mr. Obama win and serve two terms. Shorn of any remaining ambition to run for president on his own, he could find himself in a less complex political relationship with Mr. Obama than most vice presidents have with their presidents.

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/06/why-did-obama-pick-biden-as-his-veep-in-the-first-place.html

And here he is.... four years after 2016 still thirsty and refusing to let go of his ego. He can keep clinging to Obama's name and peddling the lie that he personally asked Obama not to endorse him but I ain't buying it.

[Rookie Yinzer]

Going after Obama is silly. He's the most beloved figure within the Democratic Party (for a good reason).

It's not silly, he was a pretty bad President if you actually look at what he did and not just at the hype and rhetoric.

It actually is. If you think black people in the South care about who he bombed in the Middle East or whatever I have some ocean front property in Kansas to sell you.

Anyway, I think it's cute how Biden threw up the Obama shield in his new ad on his healthcare plan when Obama endorsed Medicare for All 10 months ago:

https://twitter.com/ddiamond/status/1038109264391430145

[Rookie Yinzer]

An endorsement that means nothing when everybody knows that such a bill is going to be politically impossible to enact.

I'm not critiquing Biden's plan. It's just cute that he's framing Medicare for All as a personal affront to President Obama's legacy when Obama endorsed it just 10 months ago. But I know this is what he needs to do to win this primary. Make it about someone else because he can't stand on his own merits.

[Rookie Yinzer]

If debate skills and detailed policies are what get you elected then Hillary would have been President. And no Harris and Warren still do not have the ability to explain detailed policies to average Joes. Their base is still politically involved educated white liberals and I have yet to see any crossover yet.

If Biden has a bad debate he will suffer. Trump had low expectations and a homogenized racist electorate ready to give him their vote no matter what. Biden has to walk a tight rope among many constituencies and if he gets tripped up he's screwed.

And re Warren: Every demographic group thinks Warren has the best policies (except for black voters where Sanders leads by 1) so everyone is fully aware what she wants to do.... people are just backing Biden for superficial reasons that have nothing to do what he can/will accomplish so her message is definitely penetrating, Warren just has to prove she can beat Trump.

[Rookie Yinzer]

Looks like Cory is coming for Biden too on that debate stage
https://mobile.twitter.com/CoryBooker/status/1153657665769357313

Yessssss

[Rookie Yinzer]

because it had to be pointed out. This board is non stop hypocrisy for democrats. Biden gets away with it cause he's a democrat. Also isn't it past your bedtime?

There are legitimate allegations on the record that Donald Trump raped children.

[Rookie Yinzer]

Debate is going to be lit!

The Biden ops on my TL were already tweeting out negative talking points about Booker as a pre-emptive strike.

Biden’s record is worse than both of them so LOL at him acting like he’s going to skewer them.

[Rookie Yinzer]

The Biden ops on my TL were already tweeting out negative talking points about Booker as a pre-emptive strike.

Booker has Biden's team SHOOK. They're still putting out attacks on their personal pages. LOL.

[Rookie Yinzer]

The level of historical illiteracy here is astounding. Busing was a failed policy! It was phased out with support from across the political spectrum - including from civil rights activists. Yes, Biden opposed it from the beginning. History proved his position correct.

Harris claimed to support busing during the debate and then flip-flopped. Harris said after the debate she supported busing where individual communities deemed it appropriate at the local level - if you have any understanding of busing whatsoever then you know that defeats the entire purpose of busing! White communities never would have consented to have black students bused to their school district.

You're clearly the one who's confused here.

I agree that busing was failed but she said she said it was necessary to combat de jure segregation (which was the case in the 60s and 70s) not de facto segregation (what we have now- schools are more segregated now then they were in 1968). She's done a terrible job of making that distinction or maybe she's just making the choice to leave it alone because she doesn't want to make her campaign about Biden or because most people wouldn't understand the nuance without calling her a flip flopper.

[Rookie Yinzer]

The level of historical illiteracy here is astounding. Busing was a failed policy! It was phased out with support from across the political spectrum - including from civil rights activists. Yes, Biden opposed it from the beginning. History proved his position correct.

Harris claimed to support busing during the debate and then flip-flopped. Harris said after the debate she supported busing where individual communities deemed it appropriate at the local level - if you have any understanding of busing whatsoever then you know that defeats the entire purpose of busing! White communities never would have consented to have black students bused to their school district.

You're clearly the one who's confused here.

I agree that busing was failed but she said she said it was necessary to combat de jure segregation (which was the case in the 60s and 70s) not de facto segregation (what we have now- schools are more segregated now then they were in 1968). She's done a terrible job of making that distinction or maybe she's just making the choice to leave it alone because she doesn't want to make her campaign about Biden or because most people wouldn't understand the nuance without calling her a flip flopper.

But there *wasn’t* de jure segregation in the 1970s. That ended in 1954, after that it was all de facto - you had all-white schools and all-black schools because the patterns institutionalized by de jure segregation were still there, but there was nothing that legally forced kids into certain schools by race  by the time busing became a national issue. It’s the same situation we’re in now.

You're right! I'm parroting what Harris said immediately after the debate lol but yeah her handling of explaining why she is also against it was horrible. I've personally ignored talking about it because I think it's a no-win situation for her no matter how she spins it. She scored a few points on Biden in that moment but it's not something to be debated long term. Let's see what Biden says or does about it!

[Rookie Yinzer]

Oh my god how self centered can this forum get. No Hillary did not lose to Trump because of a buch woke far left liberals decided to stay home because Hillary wasn't good enough for them. The world and politics do not revolve around you guys because if it did Bernie would be president and Biden wouldn't be leading this primary.

Literally nobody said that. The data shows the Obama->Did Not Vote cohort was more moderate than the average Clinton 2016 voter. The largest “moderate” bloc in the Democratic Party are black voters. Black people stayed home. There is no reason to believe Biden will bring them out. Obama begged us to come out for Hillary. He TOLD us his legacy was on the line and turnout still nosedived. That also doesn’t account for voter suppression like in WI where their voter ID laws suppressed 200,000 black votes and not much is being done to combat the effects of this in 2020.

ETA: y’all also need to understand that a candidate leading with black voters in a primary says nothing about their GE performance. To win a GE the Democrat needs to turn out low propensity black voters who don’t vote in primaries. Black primary voters are extremely partial to “establishment” and name brand candidates and that’s fine but it doesn’t make them a slam dunk in the General.

[Rookie Yinzer]

Biden's anti single payer crud is despicable. He's attacking Harris for supporting a bill that's not even that radical and would take 10 years to get MFA! Does he really care more about Obama's "Legacy" then people in this country that don't have healthcare? It's sickening.(BTW, Obama supports MFA Uncle Joe!). I know voting Green is not really productive but I'm going to have a very hard time voting for him in the general

Kamala disappointed me in that exchange! She let him gaslight and be disingenuous about the costs. She needs to tighten that up considering she'll be on the stage with him/Warren/Sanders next time.

Anyway-- Biden really said "Go to Joe 30330" LOL.

But yeah he's going to dismantle Trump on the debate stage.

 

[Rookie Yinzer]

He's so right. Democrats should much more run on Barack Obama, who was the best president since 1969. Uncle Joe is the true inheritor for the Obama legacy, and he will build on it.

https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1157098941906898945

One black mark on Obama's political judgement was his backing of Hillary over Bernie and Uncle Joe in 2016. Hillary was a disaster, Bernie or Biden would have destroyed the Orange Clown.

A disaster that barely lost with a foreign adversary working to suppress voters inclined to support her and a GOP machine of right wing propaganda who had been working to drive down her negatives for a generation.

And I still believe Biden would have done worse than her.

It should tell you something that with of all Hillary’s perceived negatives, Obama still told Biden’s ass to stand down and to stay out of it.

[Rookie Yinzer]

Am I the only one who doesn't think this type of stuff is necessarily indicative of cognitive decline? Biden has been well known for almost his entire career for being a "gaffe machine".

“He’s my fave so I’m going to ignore obvious symptoms of mental decline.”

[Rookie Yinzer]

https://twitter.com/mviser/status/1158538504546279425

[Rookie Yinzer]

“It’s not healthy having these games teaching kids...” and “It’s not in and of itself the reason....” means he considers video games apart of the problem but keep twisting his words to make him sound coherent.

[Rookie Yinzer]

Yes, and he's a much better messenger than Hillary was. The people on the fence about Trump need to do some introspection and realize how deplorable Trump is, and Biden will be much more effective at nudging them in the right direction.

Yeah. Stop dragging Hillary’s name through the mud to lift Biden up. Hillary has to deal with a complicit media and a complacent electorate who kept saying it wouldn’t be that bad. Biden has much more tangible things Trump has actually done as President to work with.