Islam and left-wing extremism

[Former President tack50]

My takes on this dumpster fire of a thread:

1) This is why the historical avatars were a bad idea. If you want to be a full on tankie; just use an S-Cuba avatar. Or maybe someone can design North Korea avatars so we can have an S-NK avatar as well.

2) I am not the greatest fan of a certain type of left wing politician that tends to excuse muslims when they do the same things that they criticize conservatives for; notably on sexist and homophobic attitudes and what not. This kind of left wing politician is not common but it does exist. I am reminded of the muslim led homophobic protests in Birmingham where some of the Labour local politicians supported it? (can one of the British posters fact check me on this? I have no idea if the local Labour politicans supported it or not but I do remember it being a scandal)

This is why I generally prefer the socdem parties to the green parties in places in Europe which have both as the green parties tend to be more guilty of this (this is not the only reason though)

3) Point 2 does not mean that many muslims in Europe can't genuinely suffer from discrimination* due to their religion; or that discrimination is justified because it isn't.

4) At the risk of falling into a "no true Scotsman" argument; and following from #2 I would argue that most left wing extremists (communists and what not) don't reallly have a consistent position on this issue. I imagine some will be intersectionalist #woke tankies who ignore that kind of thing; others will be part of the "Nazbol gang" and have hardline anti-immigration positions that would not be out of place in a party like Lega or AfD and other tankies will just ignore social issues and just focus on economics.

The only thing they will have in common is blaming capitalism for all of that somehow.

<sup>*: Unlike PR; I would say that the word racism here is indeed inaccurate because islam is not a race; but that doesn't mean that the discrimination is justified either.

If you want to talk about racism you could however talk about racism against arabs though. A surprisingly popular take I've seen is that "black illegal immigrants are ok and want to just work and live an honest life; arabs are not because they only come to do crimes</sup>

[Former President tack50]

<sup>*: Unlike PR; I would say that the word racism here is indeed inaccurate because islam is not a race; but that doesn't mean that the discrimination is justified either.

If you want to talk about racism you could however talk about racism against arabs though. A surprisingly popular take I've seen is that "black illegal immigrants are ok and want to just work and live an honest life; arabs are not because they only come to do crimes</sup>

What the hell? Who says that? I've never heard it from anyone (although I've heard takes along the lines of "blacks are ok because they are mostly christians; arabs are not because they are muslims").

I mean, it is 100% anectdotal evidence, but that was quite the hot take in a reunion I had the other day with some people I know Not my closest friends or anything but still a bunch of people I meet up sometimes.

A Spanish (flawed) survey did find out that blacks were above arabs and middle easterners in their "approval rating" though (in fact subsaharan African immigrants polled barely above water with like a 5.1/10; while Arabs were the only immigrant group below water at something like 4.2/10)

Of course it also helps that middle eastern immigrants are upwards of 95% muslim; while as significant amount of subsaharan Africans are christian. (which doesn't include black immigrants in Spain from places like the Dominican Republic or Cuba; but those are a very different group despite being the same ""race"")