Joe Biden 2020 campaign megathread v3 (pg 45 - mass-dropout aftermath)

[Illini Moderate]

Biden is turning out to be Hilary II, with Ukraine and Benghazi redux, losing a 300 EC landslide to Trump and tied in WI and Bernie sneaking up on them both

Your comments are so strange and logically flawed

[Illini Moderate]

As we see Biden fall again, as we get closer to primary election, Biden is failing again in IA, NH, NV and Cali, he is so boring and doesnt defend himself from attacks; consequently,  the Superdelegates were very wrong to endorse him. Hilary was beloved due to Bill Clinton having a boon economy,  Biden did virtually nothing as Veep. I rather see Bernie take it and I will vote for Booker or Stenya in the primary. Hope Jess Scarane beats Coons, stop Biden Dems

Biden when he was attacked by Harris didnt defend himself,  he had Carol Mosley-Braun take up for him

This is laughably incoherent and inaccurate

[Illini Moderate]

Quote from: Tender Branson on April 23, 2019, 02:59:03 pm

Quote from: President Johnson on April 23, 2019, 02:58:06 pm

Quote from: Tender Branson on April 23, 2019, 02:49:11 pm

Joe Biden has a 80s, 90s mindset as a politician.

This doesn’t fit today’s Democratic Party and that’s why he’ll collapse to ca. 5% by Christmas.

I'll bump this if he's still leading by that time.

You are welcome to do so ...

BUMP!


Uncle Joe is still leading the national polls in the upper 20s and lower 30s, as well as most state polls. A prime example how he has been underestimated since the start.

Still so interesting to me how so many thought Joe was for sure going to collapse. They forget that he has appeal outside of electability. For many people who are older than 40, have blue collar jobs, or live in more rural/suburban areas, his moderate politics are refreshing.  While his campaign in the general really needs to hammer the issues more than just Trump, he's doing a good job by not running the PC focused campaign that Hillary did. He's able to come across as authentic by campaigning as himself as well and standing strong in defending his positions. Hillary lost appeal by caving on certain things to the Bernie wing and trying to come off as a more "hip" candidate when she was not one. Biden is doing good by playing up his old-school approach to things because voters know that's who he really is.

[Illini Moderate]

https://twitter.com/andrewperezdc/status/1218197598487687170

Sounds like a winning message!

Not as bad as “I don’t give a number [for M4A] and I’ll tell you why — it’s such a huge number and it’s so complicated that if I gave a number, you and 50 other people would go through it and say, ‘Oh … ‘”

[Illini Moderate]

https://twitter.com/andrewperezdc/status/1218197598487687170
Sounds like a winning message!

Not as bad as “I don’t give a number [for M4A] and I’ll tell you why — it’s such a huge number and it’s so complicated that if I gave a number, you and 50 other people would go through it and say, ‘Oh … ‘”

Versus the famous "If you like your plan you can keep it", which not only turned out to be inaccurate but proved to be such an embarrassing PR disaster that Politifact called it the Lie of the Year?

Not a fan of that move by Obama. Also, that's not a plan being proposed by a 2020 candidate so I'm not sure why you're bringing it up as a counter

[Illini Moderate]

Biden's idiot supporters arguing sincerely that he hasn't supported cuts to Social Security throughout his career has to be the most surreal thing I've ever witnessed in politics. This is a group of people genuinely more delusional than Trump supporters! It actually makes sense of how Trump is able to lie the way he does, to be quiet honest.

Way to turn to personal insults instead of arguing based on facts and policy. Sorry some people don’t like your candidate. ITdoesn’t make them an idiot. On that note, Have fun voting for Hawkins with your privileged a** while other people have to worry about losing their healthcare because your ego won’t allow you to stop Trump

[Illini Moderate]

https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1221135646107955200

Is this a thing Biden actually believes, that transgender equality, whatever that means, should be pushed with the same urgency as civil rights for blacks in the 60s (even though that actually involved a lot of compromise)?  Or is it just some a social media person trying to knock Bernie for the Rogan endorsement? 

Where did he say that in the tweet? He's clearly just saying that it is the current group of people who are under attack by our govt. Considering they were just banned from serving in the military and Trump has proposed policies which could prevent them from getting emergency medical treatment under the guise of "religious freedom". The suicide/murder rates of trans people are also much higher than the average.

[Illini Moderate]

https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1221135646107955200

Is this a thing Biden actually believes, that transgender equality, whatever that means, should be pushed with the same urgency as civil rights for blacks in the 60s (even though that actually involved a lot of compromise)?  Or is it just some a social media person trying to knock Bernie for the Rogan endorsement? 

Where did he say that in the tweet? He's clearly just saying that it is the current group of people who are under attack by our govt. Considering they were just banned from serving in the military and Trump has proposed policies which could prevent them from getting emergency medical treatment under the guise of "religious freedom". The suicide/murder rates of trans people are also much higher than the average.

People have variously claimed "the civil rights issue of our time" about immigrants or educational disparities or the criminal justice system, to draw attention to the need for action. If you make that claim, it a signal you intend to make it a political priority - unless it's just a rhetorical attempt to out-woke Sanders.

You added the part about "pushed with the same same urgency as 'blacks' in the 60s. That's what I was referring to

[Illini Moderate]

https://twitter.com/_grendan/status/1222559519697403904

In reality, a Romney administration would be equally if not a greater horror show than the current one. Biden's heart is not in this fight and he should yield the field to someone who still gives a damn about this country.

How would a Romney administration be at all equal to the horror show that is Trump? Because he is conservative? Sure, Romney's policies would be harmful and not ideal in many ways, however he is competent and at least cares about the country.

Romney never fed into the divide in this country and encouraged it for his benefit
Romney never insinuated that "second amendment people should do something" about his political opponent
He wouldn't:
-- be soliciting political help from foreign countries
-- call white supremacists "great people" thus emboldening them
-- cause massive distrust in the free press by calling them "the enemy of the people"
-- push Russian govt-created conspiracy theories every single day
-- discredit our intelligence agencies in front of the world and siding with a dictator
-- reveal classified information to foreign ambassadors
-- threaten nuclear war on Twitter
-- engage in a harmful trade war that hurts our farmers
-- lie over 15,000 times and get away with it, shifting the Overton window of what is acceptable behavior in mainstream politics
-- fail to fill vital cabinet positions and ambassadorships
-- support a pedophile in a Senate race
-- call anyone who fails to support him "human scum"
-- be building a useless and divisive border wall
-- falsely allege that a caravan of scary foreigners is heading this way every time an election comes around
-- undermine America's faith in the electoral process by making false claims about illegal voting in key states that he lost
-- Separate children from their parents and lock them in cages
-- hide his tax returns
-- fire an FBI director for investigating him
-- mock a woman at a rally that is accusing his Supreme Court appointee of sexual assault
-- help Saudi Arabia cover up the murder of an American, or at least ignore it
-- kick Transgender people out of the military
--  encourage violence at his rallies
-- praise a congressional candidate for physically attacking a journalist

. . . should I go on?

[Illini Moderate]

Romney never fed into the divide in this country and encouraged it for his benefit

and he never APOLOGIZED for AMERICA

if Trump had run in 2016, the REpublicans would have devoted an entire day of their convention to "you didn't build that!," instead we had one of the cleanest presidential campaigns in US history.

Romney also put a well-qualified youth with serious policy proposals on his ticket to appeal to Suburban Moderates, many of whom Trump has turned to Marxism.

2016 was one of the cleanest Presidential campaigns in history? Hmm don't recall that one

[Illini Moderate]

Romney would do at least 75% of that list and actually has done plenty of those things.

Oh really? Which ones has he done

[Illini Moderate]

Funny how so many people don't understand that a lot of Joe's appeal is how he stands up to these annoying protesters. No one likes a whiner

[Illini Moderate]

https://twitter.com/NBCNewsPR/status/1228818198386106380

This is the strategy?  Performative outrage at Sanders supporters?

The moderate Dems do not have the fortitude to win this one.  Not even close.  It's about god damned time the professionally offended take a back seat.  We'll be knocking on doors and getting in the face of the MAGA crowd.  You'll be home having panic attacks about the latest Tweet from a Sanders supporter that hurt your feelings.  And we'll continue to put up W's.  You'll continue to curl into a ball and pray that these listless "attacks" will work.  Have fun.

Lol settle down Spartacus. No one is buying the tough guy act. It’s not about “crying” about his supporters. It’s about the constant hatred and vitriol that a significant portion of his hardcore supporters constantly sling at anyone who doesn’t agree with them. People are sick of it. They attack fellow liberals more than Trump

[Illini Moderate]

https://twitter.com/NBCNewsPR/status/1228818198386106380

This is the strategy?  Performative outrage at Sanders supporters?

The moderate Dems do not have the fortitude to win this one.  Not even close.  It's about god damned time the professionally offended take a back seat.  We'll be knocking on doors and getting in the face of the MAGA crowd.  You'll be home having panic attacks about the latest Tweet from a Sanders supporter that hurt your feelings.  And we'll continue to put up W's.  You'll continue to curl into a ball and pray that these listless "attacks" will work.  Have fun.

Lol settle down Spartacus. No one is buying the tough guy act. It’s not about “crying” about his supporters. It’s about the constant hatred and vitriol that a significant portion of his hardcore supporters constantly sling at anyone who doesn’t agree with them. People are sick of it. They attack fellow liberals more than Trump

We're not liberals, guy.

My reference to "fellow liberals" was just referring to people who fall on the left or "liberal" end of the political spectrum, as opposed to the right or "conservative" end. It's not that deep....

[Illini Moderate]

Everyone wants to get credit for Obama. Trump had a Clinton economy and gave the rich tax cuts, the third term Bush W. That's I never watched Bush Sr funeral.

What does Bush's funeral have to do with anything?

[Illini Moderate]

No Democrat is going to agree with Mike Bloomberg calling regulations on the banks or Obamacare a "disaster". Even those on the far-left wouldn't consider Obamacare a "disaster" no matter how much they think it sucks, and they especially wont agree with it coming from Bloomberg.

[Illini Moderate]

He’s really hitting his groove. I hope it’s not too late. https://twitter.com/cnnpolitics/status/1232841187343699968?s=21

[Illini Moderate]

Wow.  I'm watching the Biden TX rally right now and it's f#cking horrifying.

Beto just walked out on the stage completely nude and Julian Castro walked past the stage smoking a joint.  Amy Klobuchar seductively removed her shirt in front of the audience.  Then Donald Trump Jr. endorsed Biden before introducing Trump Sr., who walked up to the podium to endorse Biden before removing his toupee.

Then the corpse of John McCain was brought on stage and a man dressed up in surgical gear cut out his brain tumor and gave it to the now-bald Trump, who held it up to the audience.  Then he put the disembodied tumor on the podium and dragged out the corpse of Osama Bin Laden.  Some rock song was playing in the background but now it appears to be turning into Satanic chants.

Meanwhile, AOC has announced that she will be endorsing Biden and Ilhan Omar will be resigning her House seat to work full-time on the Biden campaign.

All of this is being broadcasted on RedTube, too, so that definitely has to be a first.

Just... wow.  And people thought 2016 was weird.

Read the first line expecting to roll my eyes. Had a great laugh reading the rest. That was great

[Illini Moderate]

I'm all for a progressive VP - we just can't sacrifice other helpful elements in a VP candidate (female, minority, and/or young) to do it. I'd back Baldwin, though someone like Cortez Masto may be better if we're running a Sun Belt play.

The Democratic party cannot afford to spit in progressives' faces once more.

Don't you get it? They will see the results of tonight as an affirmation of the idea that we don't matter. The VP is more likely to be a Romney or Kasich than an olive branch to the left.

LOL no it is not. That will never happen nor should it

[Illini Moderate]

Would any Biden supporters be open to the idea of Tammy Baldwin as VP?

Yes

[Illini Moderate]

I very much do not like Joe Biden, and I don't think he'd make a good President, but nonetheless I'm ready to support him after tonight. It's clear that Bernie probably won't win the primary, and we need to unify sooner than later.

I've been considering the idea of supporting Biden in the general for a few days, which is uncomfortable because he's not progressive and doesn't always appear to be mentally sound. But we have to keep our eyes on the prize. We have to remember the kids in cages, the deeply homophobic & transphobic judges being pushed through by Trump & his allies across the country, and the racist rigging of democracy all over. Donald Trump is a horrible man and a horrible President, and if supporting Biden is what it takes to get rid of him, so be it. Let's do this.

Thank you for keeping your eye on the big picture and for your solidarity. I understand that it probably is not easy at first

[Illini Moderate]

And once it's looking even more likely (maybe in a few weeks when AZ/IL vote), I'll fight for y'all with the same energy I fought for Bernie. If you don't like me after that, you'll warm up to me once I'm on your side.

That's so degrading. Why would you do that to yourself?

Because it’s not about ourselves. It’s about having a President who actually cares about people and doesn’t view politics as one big competition that you can only win or lose. A President that doesn’t constantly lie and try to further divide our already polarized country 

[Illini Moderate]

I accept Biden as the nominee. My one hope is that he does campaign on a public option in the general so that the national conversation continues to move leftward on that subject. I'll be very disappointed if the topic disappears like in the latter half of 2016.

Did Hillary campaign on a public option initially? I can't recall many policy positions from that election to be honest. That is one thing I think Biden has done better than Hillary is emphasize the policies and platform more so than just constant comparisons to Trump. The contrast between Buttigieg, Klobuchar, and Biden. vs. Warren and Sanders was great at bringing policy to the forefront.

[Illini Moderate]

Biden and Harris would be a lethal combination against Trump in the suburbs.

I hope that’s what’s holding up her endorsement. I’m ready to go on a shopping spree in Biden’s website once that’s announced.

I'm honestly not sure if Kamala would be the best choice. Many progressives don't like her, she doesn't have a clear base of support that might otherwise sit out, and it just seems too inevitable. I think a Yang pick might be risky, but it has the potential to pay off greatly

[Illini Moderate]

He should pick Sanders for VP, unite the party and win over the Bernie Bros.

You can't have a 78 and 77 year old white man on the same ticket. In any party. It's just not exciting and it looks terrible