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« on: June 25, 2011, 05:36:46 PM »

With this it just did. We need to take it out of federal play like Ron Paul does.

That's the same thing as surrendering. It will not stop the Agenda.

Surrendering? I honestly don't understand why federal implementation of one's social values or its impediment of the contrary has any bearing. Gay marriage, banning prayer in schools, removing  iGwt from the pledge, no-fault divorce, etc etc are a result of shifts in society, and can't be changed by legislation. Legislation flows from the public will, not the other way around. This is still marginally a democracy.

The "homosexual agenda" isn't something that can be separated from a much larger slate of issues that promote a secular worldview. It just happens to possibly be the biggest weapon that those of that secular worldview have in curbing what remaining influence Biblical Christianity has on the broader culture. It has been successful, and will continue to be so.

If you want my advice, get over it. Government recognition of homosexual marriage isn't the end of the world, and the government sanctions other sinful activities all the time. That doesn't mean you have to support it, but there are hills on which to die, and this ain't one of em.

Unfortunately the evangelical community focused on government solutions to spiritual problems this past 10 years or so, and they're reaping their reward. Not to mention they completely wasted a decade fighting gay marriage when they could have been focusing on things of far more value, such as fighting no-fault divorce and abortion.

*Yes, I realize you're probably just trolling, but in case you aren't...*
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« Reply #1 on: June 25, 2011, 06:05:04 PM »

With this it just did. We need to take it out of federal play like Ron Paul does.

That's the same thing as surrendering. It will not stop the Agenda.

Surrendering? I honestly don't understand why federal implementation of one's social values or its impediment of the contrary has any bearing. Gay marriage, banning prayer in schools, removing  iGwt from the pledge, no-fault divorce, etc etc are a result of shifts in society, and can't be changed by legislation. Legislation flows from the public will, not the other way around. This is still marginally a democracy.

The "homosexual agenda" isn't something that can be separated from a much larger slate of issues that promote a secular worldview. It just happens to possibly be the biggest weapon that those of that secular worldview have in curbing what remaining influence Biblical Christianity has on the broader culture. It has been successful, and will continue to be so.

If you want my advice, get over it. Government recognition of homosexual marriage isn't the end of the world, and the government sanctions other sinful activities all the time. That doesn't mean you have to support it, but there are hills on which to die, and this ain't one of em.

Unfortunately the evangelical community focused on government solutions to spiritual problems this past 10 years or so, and they're reaping their reward. Not to mention they completely wasted a decade fighting gay marriage when they could have been focusing on things of far more value, such as fighting no-fault divorce and abortion.

*Yes, I realize you're probably just trolling, but in case you aren't...*

Okay, but it is possible to oppose the Agenda on secular grounds, for example national interest and evolutionary theory. The fact that it happens to agree with the Bible is due to the fact that the Bible contains many elements that are beneficial from an evolutionary perspective. But most people do not understand/grasp evolutionary theory so they simply cite the Bible as the basis for their beliefs.

Well I don't particularly care for the national interest or evolutionary theory, so I guess we'll have to just part company on this one. I personally don't understand how homosexuality could be viewed as "immoral" in a secular context, but whatever.

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« Reply #2 on: June 25, 2011, 06:10:26 PM »

It just happens to possibly be the biggest weapon that those of that secular worldview have in curbing what remaining influence Biblical Christianity has on the broader culture.

From a historical and social perspective 'biblical Christianity' has not excerted very much influence on broader culture and neither it should.

Explain

(And we're talking about the United States, not the ancient Greeks or 4th century Laotians or whatever)
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