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« on: August 15, 2020, 03:06:23 AM »

Interesting how Asians are considered to be "privileged" even though they have the highest poverty rate in NYC.

These things really need to be handled on a case-by-case basis. Widespread disaggregation of "Asian" by national origin, ethnicity, and income level would be helpful.


Interesting how Asians are considered to be "privileged" even though they have the highest poverty rate in NYC.

You guys don't care about people in poverty anyway. This is a classic yellow avatar race-baiting thread.

If Yale was promoting the applications of African-American and Hispanic students to the exclusion of impoverished Americans of Vietnamese, Cambodian, etc descent that your HuffPost article is highlighting, then this might have merit. I doubt that was the case here. The point of affirmative action is to help underserved groups get a footing in career tracks they previously haven't been able to. So that would mean you would prefer that application to groups who are already well-established. Given the fact that America's universities are already representative to a disproportionate degree with Chinese, Indian, Japanese, and Korean students, plus academic tourists from those countries (especially China) that would include them as well.

AAPI Americans and foreign nationals are counted separately in campus profile reports... And treating them as if they're interchangeable contributes to the perception of Asian Americans as "perpetual foreigners".

Also- if we use median household income as a proxy for general affluence, Chinese Americans are below the AAPI average, while Vietnamese Americans are close to the same level as Korean Americans. So not particularly well-off on average, but not really equivalent to Cambodian and Hmong Americans either.
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« Reply #1 on: August 15, 2020, 03:33:06 AM »

Always questionable and curious when people choose to start caring about "discrimination".

Are Asian-americans not deserving of equal treatment?

So, as an Asian-American, I think affirmative action is a good thing, because it allows underprivileged minorities to get ahead. I would prefer that it would be reformed to also benefit Asians, who have also struggled in this nation for a while. But I can't support this lawsuit, because the end result is that this will end up benefitting white people far more than Asians, and minorities will once again be shafted. Affirmative action exists to benefit minorities, and yes while it usually doesn't benefit Asians, that's not a reason to throw it out, instead that's a way to push it to benefit all minorities, yet as I already said minorities will get shafted by this lawsuit, and white people will benefit.

By definition, you can't "reform affirmative action to also benefit Asians." Asians don't need affirmative action; that's why they make up such disproportionate percentages of students at so many elite institutions even despite affirmative action laws.

He wants to keep acting woke but also boost his chances in college lol.

No, I just think every group except white people is underprivileged and needs help from the government. Asians are still much, much worse off than white people in general, and college admissions should account for that.

I agree with your general point that most Asian students aren't really affected by affirmative action, and that many Asian applicants benefit from holistic admissions. But I'm not sure how tweaking college admissions in favor of a certain racial/ethnic group by itself is supposed to help solve structural problems in certain communities, or take down white supremacy.

I'm not disputing your point that AsAms are disadvantaged overall; I'm asking how and why the affluent Asians from better educated backgrounds should acquiesce to the status quo when they don't have anything super obvious to gain from it.
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« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2020, 12:09:37 PM »

Hasn't affirmative action already been gutted to be a 'factor of a factor', and only in the context of promoting overall diversity among the student body (which is a worthy goal, Ivy League alumni shouldn't be disproportionately white)? So basically what this would be is where the applications are virtually equal, and race provides the very slight tilt to one applicant over another.

Pretty much, although it probably varies from school to school. Race-based affirmative action basically helps white applicants at the expense of Asian applicants in practice.
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