People with disabilities vote

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Just about everybody has some sort of disability. Many are extremely common. Dyslexia. Inattention. Obesity. This thread needs a working definition to be meaningful. Perhaps people who receive Social Security. Or those who were classified as Special Education in school (though national special ed legislation wasn't passed until the 1970s; olds never had a chance under modern guidelines)

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That all sounds good in theory, but in practice 90%+ of Down Syndrome pregnancies are aborted. For all the talk about what the GOP won't do for the disabled, at least they want them to make it out of the womb.

That would imply plenty of (otherwise) pro-life women aborting their Down Syndrome fetus (i.e. hypocrites). If one believes the fetus's right to life takes precedence over the woman's right to control her body, then they are hypocrites if the same doesn't apply to a fetus with Down Syndrome.

I concur, and it bugs me immensely.

Perhaps you should then learn to mind your own business. For the party of "small government" Republicans sure do want to get involved in people's personal lives.

[memphis]

That all sounds good in theory, but in practice 90%+ of Down Syndrome pregnancies are aborted. For all the talk about what the GOP won't do for the disabled, at least they want them to make it out of the womb.

That would imply plenty of (otherwise) pro-life women aborting their Down Syndrome fetus (i.e. hypocrites). If one believes the fetus's right to life takes precedence over the woman's right to control her body, then they are hypocrites if the same doesn't apply to a fetus with Down Syndrome.

I concur, and it bugs me immensely.

Perhaps you should then learn to mind your own business. For the party of "small government" Republicans sure do want to get involved in people's personal lives.

Do you really think it's that weird that people want the government to stop what they consider murder? Even Ron Paul/Gary Johnson support that as a legitimate roe of government.

You want to prosecute women who have an abortion for murder? Or do you want to charger the doctor with murder and charge the mother with hiring a hit man? That doesn't strike you as crazy?

[memphis]

That all sounds good in theory, but in practice 90%+ of Down Syndrome pregnancies are aborted. For all the talk about what the GOP won't do for the disabled, at least they want them to make it out of the womb.

That would imply plenty of (otherwise) pro-life women aborting their Down Syndrome fetus (i.e. hypocrites). If one believes the fetus's right to life takes precedence over the woman's right to control her body, then they are hypocrites if the same doesn't apply to a fetus with Down Syndrome.

I concur, and it bugs me immensely.

Perhaps you should then learn to mind your own business. For the party of "small government" Republicans sure do want to get involved in people's personal lives.

Do you really think it's that weird that people want the government to stop what they consider murder? Even Ron Paul/Gary Johnson support that as a legitimate roe of government.

You want to prosecute women who have an abortion for murder? Or do you want to charger the doctor with murder and charge the mother with hiring a hit man? That doesn't strike you as crazy?

Your question is irrelevant. What seems crazy to society has nothing to do with it's moral correctness. The abolition of slavery struck a lot of people as crazy, but it didn't make it any less right.

Just so we're clear, you'd want to charge women who have an abortion with either murder or hiring a hit man, both of which are extremely serious felonies? You think that would be the "morally correct" thing to do?

[memphis]

That all sounds good in theory, but in practice 90%+ of Down Syndrome pregnancies are aborted. For all the talk about what the GOP won't do for the disabled, at least they want them to make it out of the womb.

That would imply plenty of (otherwise) pro-life women aborting their Down Syndrome fetus (i.e. hypocrites). If one believes the fetus's right to life takes precedence over the woman's right to control her body, then they are hypocrites if the same doesn't apply to a fetus with Down Syndrome.

I concur, and it bugs me immensely.

Perhaps you should then learn to mind your own business. For the party of "small government" Republicans sure do want to get involved in people's personal lives.

Do you really think it's that weird that people want the government to stop what they consider murder? Even Ron Paul/Gary Johnson support that as a legitimate roe of government.

You want to prosecute women who have an abortion for murder? Or do you want to charger the doctor with murder and charge the mother with hiring a hit man? That doesn't strike you as crazy?

Your question is irrelevant. What seems crazy to society has nothing to do with it's moral correctness. The abolition of slavery struck a lot of people as crazy, but it didn't make it any less right.

Just so we're clear, you'd want to charge women who have an abortion with either murder or hiring a hit man, both of which are extremely serious felonies? You think that would be the "morally correct" thing to do?

Personally, I'd create a crime like "procuring an abortion" which would carry a less severe punishment than a standard hit man felony. The doctor of course would be charged with 1st degree murder.

Why the lesser charge? You said it was murder. The woman has hired a professional to carry out the murder. Dy definition, that's hiring a hit man. Sounds to me like you think that abortion is wrong, but not murder.

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But you just said that it wasn't a different crime. You said that it was muder. You chose that word, not me. Either it is murder or it isn't. We're not dealing with a logical inconsistancy. We're working on developing a consistent definition. Is abortion muder or not?

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But you just said that it wasn't a different crime. You said that it was muder. You chose that word, not me. Either it is murder or it isn't. We're not dealing with a logical inconsistancy. We're working on developing a consistent definition. Is abortion muder or not?

Yes

Ok. Hiring somebody to perform a murder is an extremely serious crime. You're advocating locking up women who seek abortion for decades. And they don't even have to have had the abortion. Just a sincere meeting with somebody who offers the service.  If you want to make it a lesser crime, you need to call it something else. Or advocate cfor lessening penalties for all murders for hire.