Canada General Discussion (2019-)

[DabbingSanta]

As linked to in the other thread on this on the U.S political discussions, the Commission from the major Police Chief's Association itself said that most of the destruction were caused by small groups of vandals/anarchists who infiltrated BLM protests.

I guess it's easy to grandstand when you're an ignoramus.

You could say the same thing about the Ottawa protesters.  One idiot who was not connected to the movement was flying a Nazi flag.  One idiot draped a Canadian flag over the Terry Fox monument.  One idiot vandalized the war memorial.  Much like you argue the actions of some BLM supporters are not representative of the BLM movement, I can also argue that the actions by these few foolish individuals do not represent the freedom convoy movement.  It's all fair game in politics.

[DabbingSanta]

Safe to say that Canada is a full out communist country now

[DabbingSanta]

Safe to say that Canada is a full out communist country now

Lol settle down there bud

Imagine if a conservative PM enacted the Emergency Act for the BLM protests.

[DabbingSanta]

Safe to say that Canada is a full out communist country now

Lol settle down there bud

Imagine if a conservative PM enacted the Emergency Act for the BLM protests.

Also, my response was to you saying "Canada is a full out communist country now" which is a level of hyperbole and overreaction worthy of ridicule.

Is it though?  In the past 24 months we have seen:

- unprecedented regulations and restrictions imposed on businesses, resulting in many closures

- arbitrary travel restrictions which ban people from leaving or coming into the country

- government overreach, to the extent where they dictate who is allowed in your own house

- government surveillance through cell phones and smart TVs tracking travel and movements

- widespread coercion and cooperation through state and corporate run media to sell a narrative

- the opening of internment facilities for people entering the country

- mandates on vaccines to keep jobs, eat in restaurants, shopping at Walmart, and to go to school

- state legislated segregation, vaxxed vs unvaxxed, which private entities are told they must enforce

- government forced mandates on what you MUST wear in public (face coverings), much like burqas in Afghanistan or other oppressed Islamic countries, despite ZERO scientific backing

- and NOW enactment of the War Measures Act to quell largely peaceful protests that the government disagrees with, and has falsely labelled as a "white supremacy uprising" with support from MSM

If you don't see what's happening, you are ignorant.  Wake the hell up.

[DabbingSanta]

Also, if you don't understand government control needing to rise during a massive crisis, then I don't know what to tell you. Churchill had to take emergency measures and (comparatively) more totalitarian measures during World War 2 as well. Are you going to criticize him for attempting to install communism on the British isles?

WW2 was a real emergency, these are a series of peaceful protests.

[DabbingSanta]

This is not the country I grew up in.  Another sad day toward Canada's demise.

Wondering if I need to flee the country soon.  Might go to the UK as my mother was born there, and I believe that's the easiest visa short term.  Any other freedom lovers considering leaving?

[DabbingSanta]

This is not the country I grew up in.  Another sad day toward Canada's demise.

Wondering if I need to flee the country soon.  Might go to the UK as my mother was born there, and I believe that's the easiest visa short term.  Any other freedom lovers considering leaving?

Honestly, good riddance.

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[DabbingSanta]

I don't dispute that the center can always shift and that sustained large government budget deficits are a major potential cause for political shifts, especially if inflation isn't sufficiently addressed, however, I think the generally right wing punditocracy in Canada is simply too right wing to understand that it's them not in the center at present, and not the majority of Canadians.

More evidence of punditocracy centrism:

"The Liberal Party formed a minority government based on only 33 per cent of the people who voted in the last election. Our government just recently moved even further left with a formal confidence-and-supply agreement with the NDP.

Where does that leave the majority of us in the middle? Not in a place that is sustainable for Canada, nor close to the future we deserve if we built it from the sensible centre."

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-canada-can-do-great-things-but-the-sensible-centre-mustnt-be/#_=_

50.44% voted Liberal or NDP, yet the "majority of us in the middle" are left out?

This argument fails to address that there will be some Lib to PC voters in this election.  Moderates do not want a coalition government, radicals do.

The left is pulling similar tactics in the Ontario provincial election, and needless to say, this is rallying the base behind Ford more than anything.  I was going to vote minor party or sit out, but not any more.  A Liberal or NDP government will bring a return of masks, lockdowns, and communism.

[DabbingSanta]

I don't dispute that the center can always shift and that sustained large government budget deficits are a major potential cause for political shifts, especially if inflation isn't sufficiently addressed, however, I think the generally right wing punditocracy in Canada is simply too right wing to understand that it's them not in the center at present, and not the majority of Canadians.

More evidence of punditocracy centrism:

"The Liberal Party formed a minority government based on only 33 per cent of the people who voted in the last election. Our government just recently moved even further left with a formal confidence-and-supply agreement with the NDP.

Where does that leave the majority of us in the middle? Not in a place that is sustainable for Canada, nor close to the future we deserve if we built it from the sensible centre."

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-canada-can-do-great-things-but-the-sensible-centre-mustnt-be/#_=_

50.44% voted Liberal or NDP, yet the "majority of us in the middle" are left out?

This argument fails to address that there will be some Lib to PC voters in this election.  Moderates do not want a coalition government, radicals do.

The left is pulling similar tactics in the Ontario provincial election, and needless to say, this is rallying the base behind Ford more than anything.  I was going to vote minor party or sit out, but not any more.  A Liberal or NDP government will bring a return of masks, lockdowns, and communism.

But, you're honest enough to admit you are not a centrist, unlike right-wing pundits pretending to be centrists. Of course the deal offends people on the right. Does it offend centrists, through?

You are correct, I am not a centrist, and how these actions will impact these voters is beyond me.  We saw how 2019 and 2021 played out, so my faith in Canada actually making the right decision is pretty limited.  However, the increasingly extreme power grabs in the past year with the Ottawa convoy and now forming a de-facto coalition might change a few minds...

[DabbingSanta]

Example A of how gun control does not stop mass killings. 

[DabbingSanta]

Example A of how gun control does not stop mass killings. 

Maybe, but Canada has a lot fewer mass killings than the US. Must be a coincidence.

This is simply not true.  There have been several high profile mass killings in recent years (Toronto van attack, Nova Scotia shooting, now this).  Given Canada is 1/10th the population of the US, I would say the rate of massacres is on par with the violence in the USA.

[DabbingSanta]

This handgun ban is absolutely useless.  The restrictions in place to get one were already draconian and basically limited handgun ownership to people who shoot for recreation and special security purposes.  The reality is that this 'ban' will do nothing to stop rising rates of violent crime in Canada.

[DabbingSanta]

Did you support Donald Trump?

I will love to see your reaction when Pierre Poilievre, the French Trump, wins in a landslide, which he certainly will provided there isn't massive voter fraud.  We will Make Canada Great Again! 

[DabbingSanta]

Medically assisted suicide is now a leading cause of death in Canada.  People have opted to die because they can't find affordable housing.  Next year, they plan to expand the qualifications to include mentally ill individuals. Crickets from the media.

Meanwhile our hospital system is on the brink of collapse, but we can't allow anything private to alleviate this stress because it will somehow "destroy public health".  So Canada's answer is to kill all the troubled people.