Argentina General Discussion: Shock Therapy

[Hindsight was 2020]

I just find it odd that this guy is the first far right populist type that wants to kiss up to the US. Most of these types tend to say like US when Trump was in charge but Joaquin Phoenix here wants good relations with Biden too

[Hindsight was 2020]

I just find it odd that this guy is the first far right populist type that wants to kiss up to the US. Most of these types tend to say like US when Trump was in charge but Joaquin Phoenix here wants good relations with Biden too

Yeah, it's also kind of odd he reversed planned membership in BRICS and is pro-Ukraine.

From what I’ve gathered it seems to be a combination of having a personal hatred of Putin and he thinks that giving Ukraine aid will help the economy by ingratiating Argentina into the West and her markets/Argentina mic is state control so he has direct power to ramp up production

[Hindsight was 2020]

Lmaaaao at the westerners here somehow being shocked at right-wingers being inherently Pro-Western or Western simps. There’s nothing LESS odd than Milei’s position, it’s in complete line with history. The rise of Trumpist Right apparently has made Western liberals think they don’t represent whiteness, only the “Populist Right”?

If you’re a white supremacist or a fascist in Latin America, you certainly won’t identify yourself mostly with “the Global South” or anything, you will try to be part of the White club which shockingly for whatever reason, Europe and US represent yeah.

This has ALWAYS been the rule. Bolsonaro was extremely aligned with Trump and had pro-US rhetoric and in theory wanted to align with Europe too but clashed with them on the same way Trump did because ~Europe is too woke and green obsessed these days~.

There’s also matter of reality confronting ideology. Bolsonaro started with very strong Anti-China rhetoric but the huge chunk of his base in congress was the AGRO base which relies a lot on Chinese trade economically. You cannot advocate for the freedom of the agro to burn down the forests if they don’t have someone to sell to, so the Agro base forced more pragmatism on Bolsonaro over the years. Trump going out also weakened him a lot, upping this pressure.

Milei presidency will mirror Bolsonaro in some levels but he seems maybe less impulsive than Bozo, time will tell. Milei already is compromising on a bunch of campaign promises even before assuming, let’s see how much reality confronts his ideas.

Argentina economic situation is way too desperate, they WILL inevitably get to hyperinflation if there isn’t a major plan to save them and no one on the outside cares about them that much to give this saving in exchange of their alignment. They know very well what’s coming and they aren’t in the position to refuse any partnership abroad for the sake of abstract ideological notions.

Why do you keep insisting on putting Russia in the “global south” when Russia thinks of itself as white and most “whites supremacist”/far right movements these days look at Putin as their patron saint?

[Hindsight was 2020]

Lmaaaao at the westerners here somehow being shocked at right-wingers being inherently Pro-Western or Western simps. There’s nothing LESS odd than Milei’s position, it’s in complete line with history. The rise of Trumpist Right apparently has made Western liberals think they don’t represent whiteness, only the “Populist Right”?

If you’re a white supremacist or a fascist in Latin America, you certainly won’t identify yourself mostly with “the Global South” or anything, you will try to be part of the White club which shockingly for whatever reason, Europe and US represent yeah.

This has ALWAYS been the rule. Bolsonaro was extremely aligned with Trump and had pro-US rhetoric and in theory wanted to align with Europe too but clashed with them on the same way Trump did because ~Europe is too woke and green obsessed these days~.

There’s also matter of reality confronting ideology. Bolsonaro started with very strong Anti-China rhetoric but the huge chunk of his base in congress was the AGRO base which relies a lot on Chinese trade economically. You cannot advocate for the freedom of the agro to burn down the forests if they don’t have someone to sell to, so the Agro base forced more pragmatism on Bolsonaro over the years. Trump going out also weakened him a lot, upping this pressure.

Milei presidency will mirror Bolsonaro in some levels but he seems maybe less impulsive than Bozo, time will tell. Milei already is compromising on a bunch of campaign promises even before assuming, let’s see how much reality confronts his ideas.

Argentina economic situation is way too desperate, they WILL inevitably get to hyperinflation if there isn’t a major plan to save them and no one on the outside cares about them that much to give this saving in exchange of their alignment. They know very well what’s coming and they aren’t in the position to refuse any partnership abroad for the sake of abstract ideological notions.

Why do you keep insisting on putting Russia in the “global south” when Russia thinks of itself as white and most “whites supremacist”/far right movements these days look at Putin as their patron saint?

What? There literally isn’t any mention of Russia in my post, stop being obsessed with them for a while. They really are in the bottom of the list in problems you should be concerned.

The comments you are responding to deal with his position on the war and Russia, also I always love how when you get confronted on this issue you duck it because you can’t defend it.

[Hindsight was 2020]

The comments you are responding to deal with his position on the war and Russia, also I always love how when you get confronted on this issue you duck it because you can’t defend it.

The conversation literally is about Latin American ideological general left/right alignment on geopolitics and you’re trying to shift it to a Russia discussion because that seems to be your biggest obsession.

Sorry to break it to you but conversations of being Pro-Russia/Pro-Ukraine don’t really matter politically in Latin America as it’s something the large majority of people don’t really care or are invested about.

The large majority sees as an European problem to be resolved even if they have an opinion about it.

I’m the one who started the conversation and it was in relation to his positions on the West and Ukraine being out of line with other far right populist 🙄

[Hindsight was 2020]

The comments you are responding to deal with his position on the war and Russia, also I always love how when you get confronted on this issue you duck it because you can’t defend it.

The conversation literally is about Latin American ideological general left/right alignment on geopolitics and you’re trying to shift it to a Russia discussion because that seems to be your biggest obsession.

Sorry to break it to you but conversations of being Pro-Russia/Pro-Ukraine don’t really matter politically in Latin America as it’s something the large majority of people don’t really care or are invested about.

The large majority sees as an European problem to be resolved even if they have an opinion about it.

I’m the one who started the conversation and it was in relation to his positions on the West and Ukraine being out of line with other far right populist 🙄

Yeah and people pointed out it was NOT, which you ignored.

Since Russia vs Ukraine is your preferred conflict for the sake of examples, go search for who are the biggest and more vocal Pro-Ukraine groups in LatAm, even if minimal, and you’ll see that the correlation with the Right is much much stronger.

Though I will reinforce, it’s a specific matter that neither Right or Left are particularly invested on to even have a well-defined position, regardless if it’s to defend Ukraine or Russia.

No you did all you did was go on one of your typical rants about how far right figures like the West which isn’t true heck Bolsonaro doesn’t even like the West he was just a Trump lover. I was talking in the context of far right figures around the globe that are actually taking over and Milei so far fp is the only one that stands out as different

[Hindsight was 2020]

It’s kinda ironic that you accuse me of being obsessed with the Russian-Ukrainian war when you ultimately make all your political arguments come back to the Cold War, at least I’m talking about a current ongoing issue

[Hindsight was 2020]

No you did all you did was go on one of your typical rants about how far right figures like the West which isn’t true heck Bolsonaro doesn’t even like the West he was just a Trump lover. I was talking in the context of far right figures around the globe that are actually taking over and Milei so far fp is the only one that stands out as different

You deflect from the point because you know you are wrong. Pick ANY leaderships from Cold War or Post Cold War and the Right will tend to side with the West much more, simply because the West historically supports the Right outside their borders much more as well. That is not an opinion, but a pure fact.

Bolsonaro being too incompetent or evil to maintain that because Western Liberals got Woke about Gays and the Environment and act like suddenly they aren’t supposed to represent whiteness (and seem to believe what they really represent is Liberal Democracy lol) does not change what is an internal local reality.

Like, Bolsonaro isn’t really THAT different from your average Latin American Right-wing leader regardless if they’re from cold war (ex: Pinochet) or post cold war (ex: Uribe)

Anyway, Milei’s flop inauguration only had 8 global leaders total going to celebrate it:

- Armenia
- Chile
- Ecuador
- Spain
- Hungary
- Paraguay
- Ukraine
- Uruguay

Basically, all the right-wing governments in South America (you can maybe include Boric in there lolz) + Spain for obvious cultural ties not related to ideology + Armenia whose interest is a mystery to me + Hungary and Ukraine for new geopolitical club ally, at least in how those two perceive Milei.

First time a Brazilian president doesn’t go to the Argentinian president inauguration in 40 years, since democracy returned to Argentina. Which is quite significant.

Bolsonaro was invited and went to the inauguration as Milei’s friend though.

So I guess Saddam Hussein, Taliban, or the Ayatollah don’t exist

[Hindsight was 2020]

Look, the Argentine electorate made the clear choice to have the country destroyed in a new and exciting way, rather than having it destroyed in the old and boring way and to an extent that choice must be respected. I wonder whether he leaves office in a helicopter? Odds?

Do you mean in the Nixon way or military throws him out of one way? Because that impacts the odds

[Hindsight was 2020]

BRICS is probably grateful this guy is pulling out as opposed to causing mayhem inside the group