Israel-Gaza war

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My grandmother has boarded her flight out of Israel, thank God.

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To all the posters that are being critical of Israel. What would you have done if you were Israel After the Hamas abducted/raped/decapitated a ton of israeli children ?


Death toll is terrible in Gaza but I genuinely don't see how Hamas shouldn't be entirely blamed for that.

You can't just act like history began a week ago.

If I were Israel I wouldn't have funded and supported Hamas in the first place. Instead of crowding my citizens into Bantustans and propping up a fake opposition to justify ever escalating crimes I would recognize the reality that both Israel and Palestine are defacto a single state. I would grant all citizens within this territory equal rights regardless of religion, as is expected (even if it may not be enforced) of literally every developed country that isn't Israel. Palestinians would gain the right to freely travel, to buy property and to leave Gaza. Neither settlers nor West Bank Palestinians would be forcibly deported but all would be free to stay or live where  they please. Then whatever remained of Hamas and other terrorist groups could be dealt with the way civilized countries deal with terrorism: professional police and intelligence, not indiscriminate airstrikes. Or there could be some sort of Good Friday agreement to disarm militias without bloodshed.

South Africa experienced all sorts of atrocities at the hands of the ANC and other rebel groups. Necklacing is among the most brutal methods of execution and it was pioneered by the ANC. Yet despite the atrocities they were somehow able to end apartheid. Why should we not hold Israel to the same standard?

Upset but somehow no calls for no-fly zones, or sanctions, or sending supplies to Gaza, or treating Israel as a pariah state like South Africa. Mostly a lot of hand wringing and "what can you do?"s from the same people who were most enthusiastic about unending support for Ukraine. RV can make some pretty boneheaded and shortsighted posts but in this case he is absolutely 100% correct

"If only we had some sort of measure we use against countries that violated international law!"

Geeh I wonder why people might be more fine giving a conventional military sending arms to a place that would likely end up in the hands of a terrorist organization that just beheaded babies?

But giving air support to the terrorists who literally exterminated entire towns in Libya was A-OK I guess? Or the terrorists who eventually became Al-Nusra and ISIS in Syria?

And putting aside the very long precedent of having zero qualm arming the worst possible people, what about humanitarian aid? What about sanctions? What about literally any of the measures taken against so-called "rogue states" over the past several decades? If you discount the fact that Israel is Above The Law then there are a huge range of options short of sending Hamas military equipment. Why are these options never on the table when it comes to Israel?

Libya and Syria are lazy whataboutisms considering the atrocities Gaddafi and Assad had/have done that the country you have as an avatar enabled (especially Assad). When it comes to humanitarian aid you already seeing that this is an issue with groundswell western support by the fact after being so gung-ho that Biden raised these concerns

So to be clear, you believe there's a point where a state commits enough atrocities that arming baby killing terrorists is justified after all? Could you define the line Israel would have to cross for a no-fly zone and arming Hamas to be the correct course of action? How about sanctions? Come on, lets now be vague and talk about "atrocities" somehow changing the calculus, tell me specifically: what crime committed by Assad or Gaddafi that the Israelis haven't would cause Biden to take a hard line? An illegal WMD program, perhaps a secret nuclear program? The number of civilians killed in the entire Libyan Civil War (at least the first phase) was somewhere in the high thousands to low tens of thousands. If Bibi surpasses that number will American F-35's intervene to end the bombing campaign? Is there any conceivable action that would result in sanctions being imposed on "America's Greatest Ally"?

If you haven't noticed my signature I'm not exactly a fan of Putin but he didn't defend Assad because of "international law" or "human rights" but because Assad was his ally. And all the evidence suggests that Biden isn't sending aircraft carriers to protect Israel from retaliation because of the "rules based international order" but for similarly amoral reasons. My point isn't "America is just like Putin, therefore Putin is justified", it's "America is just like Putin, therefore we live in a world of murderous amoral tyrants who only care about human rights so far as it benefits them personally"

No and at no point in my post did I imply that only that invoking them to own the West is a bad example also Assad gassed civilians and as bad as Israel has been they haven’t gone down that road

They've only starved the civilians, demolished the hospitals, threatened ethnic cleansing, declared "there are no civilians in Gaza" and smoked their houses with white phosphorous (ie. a chemical weapon that isn't a Chemical Weapon). But okay, are you saying that if Israel used chemical weapons in combat that you'd support an anti-Israeli no-fly zone? Is that the magic line where mealy mouthed, half-assed requests for restraint from the Biden administration would transform into threats of obliteration and plans to remove the Netanyahu regime? The IDF can do anything in Gaza short of deploying WMDs and the "International Rules Based Order" won't so much as cut a cent of military funding, let alone threaten the sort of responses Iran has gotten over the past few decades?

Why do you keep putting words in my mouth like I’m okay with how Israel conducts itself?

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To all the posters that are being critical of Israel. What would you have done if you were Israel After the Hamas abducted/raped/decapitated a ton of israeli children ?


Death toll is terrible in Gaza but I genuinely don't see how Hamas shouldn't be entirely blamed for that.

An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

So what would you do?

Again there’s a happy middle ground between not retaliating and what Israel is doing

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I want military aid to Israel military cut off now also I haven’t even called for no-fly zones or the US invading Russia so contrary to the narrative you want to push I’m not holding Israel to some double standard

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What's the point in seeking revenge on innocent people? I've seen inflammatory videos with calls to "erase" the "animals". Meanwhile settlers and the IDF have killed more than 50 Palestinians in the West Bank during the last week, according to B'Tselem. The worst is yet to come

https://twitter.com/danielmkovalik/status/1712973864290947371?t=vn2RDxcGxCOq6mxA...

*Looks at profile*

Retweets of Jackson Hinkle, TheGrayZone staffers and Scott ing Ritter.

Yeah, I totally believe him.


 off with this sh**t.

Yeah we need to be careful of who we promote

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Funny how American media now say that it could be both sides. But when Russians say there's no reason residential buldings in some God forbidden town in Ukraine are hit on purpose and that's the remains of air defense, there's no both sides, Russians are just pure evil. Yet Israelis with it's history of war crimes vs Palestinians are to be beleived.

500 people are dead and your primary concern is complaining about Russia being condemned for its war crimes in Ukraine?

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https://twitter.com/jimsciutto/status/1714399315278315950?s=12
The fallout is getting uglier

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russias-draft-resolution-on-israel-failed-to-mention-hamas-defeated-at-un/ar-AA1ijQVR

Russia actually took a stronger stance against Israel and that is why it abstained on Brazil's proposal.

Boy, all that hand-wringing from the Israeli government about how they just had to stay neutral on Ukraine vs Russia because of Reasons™️ and they can’t even get a condemnation of Hamas from Russia when they need it most. Great geopolitical strategy, Likudniks!  

Israel has treated Ukraine terribly over the past year and a half. I don't know why Zelensky is still trying to suck up to them.

To get more of their support, maybe? Since Russia is aligning with Palestine.

Cozying up to Israel will make Ukraine toxic to a lot of the more neutral parties. Ukraine is far more popular on the international stage than Israel and I don't understand why he'd try to jeopardize that. Look at how much America's obsequiesness to Israel has hurt us in the middle east.

While this is just anecdotal evidence from the Ukrainians I’ve managed to interact with through various discords and OSINT the general attitude is these “neutral countries” ie Brazil, South Africa, most ME countries are already just pro-Russia and putting on a two-face act so who cares about upsetting them. Also some are holding out hope that doing this also means that Israel will finally send them some Iron Dome missiles

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Welp it’s started 😔

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Welp it’s started 😔

Did they announce a full-bore invasion (as opposed to the slow-rolling incursions of the past day or two) or did you just log on/check the news for the first time today? I'm at work and haven't checked any of the major news sites or liveblogs in a few hours.

https://twitter.com/flash_news_ua/status/1718337300067676462?s=12

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The accusation that western media knew about the attack in advance seems shaky at best and not really grounds for such vile rhetoric Vosem

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What is going to be the future of Gaza and Hamas ?

Officially: TBD

If Hamas had any brains they'd announce their leadership will exit Gaza and they agree for their government apparatus to be subsumed by the PA. that will give them at least de facto control in various parts of Gaza

Call me optimistic but I think that Israel is going to be much safer post war. Removing Hamas for ever will greatly stabilize the region

I don’t see how with how reanimated the hatred for them is across the Middle East.

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https://twitter.com/joetruzman/status/1724579218024214610?s=12
At this point I just hope this ends sooner than later 😕

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OSR vs Red Velvet is alot like the IDF vs Hamas in that I want to see both lose

The people blowing up refugee camps aren’t good

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Clearly tiktok is entirely to blame for why people are upset with Israel and not crap like this

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Clearly tiktok is entirely to blame for why people are upset with Israel and not crap like this

I think there's a big difference between thinking Bibi and the IDF in its current state are disgraceful, which should be a natural reaction to the intelligence failures, policy failures, duplicity and lack of discipline we've been seeing, and thinking Hamas is the good guys or 10/7 was justified or Israel is committing genocide or Jews control the world or whatever, which is what you're seeing on TikTok.

Do not conflate the two.

I don’t, the problem is alot of people here and broadly do conflate the two

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JFC thank you for proving my point OSR

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You think the fact that people like Dule or MT Treasurer are even critical of Israel’s conduct would be a hint to people like OSR or Meclazine that Israel is going too far in it’s conduct

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BREAKING NEWS
https://twitter.com/NoLieWithBTC/status/1726053359516320103

Thank Christ

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https://twitter.com/lookner/status/1726794649912909994?s=12
Please 🙏

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The reports that Egypt and Jordan are secretly encouraging Israel to continue the campaign is legit black pilling like nobody in any form of power gives a sh*t for regular Palestinians and it’s heartbreaking

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Oh so a far right despot waging a war of aggression that indiscriminately targets civilians is bad now? Good to see you found your moral outrage when it doesn’t involve a country you have ties with Lula 😑

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Oh so a far right despot waging a war of aggression that indiscriminately targets civilians is bad now? Good to see you found your moral outrage when it doesn’t involve a country you have ties with Lula 😑

Lula's Ukraine neutrality would be his one blind spot, but domestically he's basically perfect. Exactly what I'd want in a leader.

Tbf most would look perfect domestically when compared to the fascist douchebag that came before him

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Is it me or is Israel’s actual on the ground progress kinda lackluster considering how long and the amount they have been bombarding Gaza?

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What type of cold heartless monster would show such a lack of empathy for their fellow humans? It’d be like if someone on this site called a well documented massacre of a village fake news or dismissed a documented report by the UN on war crimes happening in a country and then did a fake humanitarian virtue signaling bit on the bodies of dead Palestinians